Originally Posted by kfacres
you can argue with a brick wall all day long-- but in the end-- it's still a brick wall.
I really was not looking for an argument, and really must be dumber than a brick wall, because though I am trying, I really do not understand your posts. I read your page about your "ideal meat project" and the statement there that you are promoting your birds as just that, the ideal meat birds. Yet I've read that if you want to feed chickens to eat, you will buy CX, and consider anything else not worth while, even ludicrous, and another that you keep your chickens because they lay eggs and look good doing it.
I also fail to understand why both you and chickened are bashing breeders of show quality Cornish for breeding them to be built "wrong", then bash them again as being selfish for not selling them to the people who do not like the way show quality Cornish look. Do either of you really expect those show breeders to be happy to sell their Cornish to people who think that show quality Cornish are not built correctly? Now I do understand the reasoning behind keeping a breed capable of live breeding, but fail to understand why you think those show breeders are being selfish by not selling to the people that bash them for what they have bred their Cornish to look like. I like the Cornish in those pictures of Al's and Pepper's, they do look like a lot the pictures from the 50's of ideal Cornish, as well as the colored paintings in the current version of the APA SOP. That type is what made them so desirable to the first developers of the CX to cross on faster maturing breeds, the reason that pure Cornish were bought up by buyers for developing the CX, causing the already rare breed became even more rare. Now instead of thanking the few breeders that are clinging stubbornly to breeding their wide Cornish, some are both insulting the few breeders having them, and then turning around and calling them selfish for not selling some to them.
The best Cornish may have always have been difficult to breed, I do not have any experience before a few years ago, but have been told that they were. I know the modern CX are; both their male and female parents have to be kept on very controlled diets just to keep them physically capable of live breeding and the cost of labor makes A.I impractical on commercial meat birds [of course even then they last only for a few months, and only commercial growers are allowed to buy the parent lines anyway]. If the breeders of show quality Cornish go to the added trouble of keeping one of those cocks breeding naturally by meeting their special needs, or willing to A.I. them after they reach their mature size and width, and unwilling to sell to someone not willing to go to those lengths, I certainly am not going to bash the breeder. I can't really blame serious breeders of either Cornish or meat bird projects that were posting on the early pages back earlier and seem to have disappeared, and considering it myself, because I really did not join this thread to have to justify why I breed quality Cornish, who I sell to, how many I sell, or why I would also like to develop a meat bird line that would be be easier to breed but better than the chicks sold as dual purpose breeds by a hatchery. Maybe I just need to be thicker skinned.