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Favorite hen died---Anyone know what these whitish liver spots are?

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I posted this a few weeks ago:

"I have a hen who brooded, hatched, and raised her young for 6 or so weeks.  Last week she laid the first "post brooding" egg, then the next day she seemed like she had eaten something awful, was moving very slowly if at all.  I checked her vent and it seemed to be sort of protruding slightly, but the next day it all looked normal again though she hasn't been her regular self or laid any eggs since. I checked her body to see if I could feel any egg that might be stuck--couldn't feel anything abnormal.  Now her comb is folded over, and she doesn't seem to eat or drink much.  I gave her a warm bath today to see if it would help her (she had poop stuck to the feathers below the vent).  I blow-dried her real well.  She'll let her "children" climb on her back and snuggle around her, but she pretty much stands around all day in the shade.  Is there anything else I can do to help her?  Does she need Sulmet? I have some. She was dewormed in Oct.  This afternoon, she wouldn't drink and was standing with her mouth open and the gullet going up and down, so i put some water in her feed and she did eat that.  Any suggestions or diagnostics?  Her poop is greenish and watery, but I'd say fits in the normal range (wide as it is).  Would appreciate knowledgeable help, short on time:).  Thanks so much!

Last edited by friend of chickens (04/07/2010 5:17 pm)"

And now, my hen died and I did a necropsy to see why.  Can anyone tell me if this is cancer or what disease it is? [img][/img]http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/45718_p1060527.jpg


it seems like there is an abnormal black lump on this gizzard:
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/45718_p1060529.jpg

here is her ovary:
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/45718_p1060538.jpg

Not sure if these pics will post or not--new at this

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Post Mortem signs on the liver


  *  Liver

    A. Film-covered

        1. Air-sac Disease

        2. Chronic Respiratory Disease

    B. Swollen

        1. Necrotic Dermatitis

        2. Lymphoid Leukosis

        3. Algae Poisoning

        4. Erysipelas

    C. Swollen, mottled, yellow

        1. Arizonosis

    D. Swollen, discolored

        1. Broiler Ascites

        2. Chlamydiosis

    E. Swollen, gray spots

        1. Cholera

    F. Swollen, gray areas

        1. Marek's Disease

    G. Swollen, bronze or green or red

        1. Typhoid

        2. Infectious Synovitis

    H. Swollen, red-streaks/white dots

        1. Paratyphoid

    I. Swollen, white or gray nodules

        1. Pullorum

    J. Swollen, spotted

        1. Toxoplasmosis

        2. Ochratoxicosis

        3. Pseudomonas

        4. Spirochetosis

    K. Patchy

        1. Infectious Anemia

        2. Blackhead

        3. Listeriosis

    L. Patchy red or pale

        1. Streptococcosis

    M. Mottled with yellow

        1. Ulcerative Enteritis

    N. Mushy

        1. Histoplasmosis

    O. Mushy, yellow

        1. Fatty Liver Syndrome

    P. Dark

        1. Bluecomb

    Q. Greenish

        1. Colibacillosis

    R. Greenish w/red-spots

        1. Infectious Anemia

    S. Yellow Stars

        1. Campylobacteriosis

    T. Needle-like crystals

        1. Gout (visceral)

    U. Tumors

        1. Marek's Disease

        2. Lymphoid Leukosis

    V. Gray or yellow nodules

        1. Tuberculosis

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post #3 of 7

I don't know but it would be interesting to see if anyone knows what those spots are on her liver.  They almost look like fat deposits on the liver.  Did you slice into the liver to see if they ran deep into the tissue or not or if they are only on the surface?

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post #4 of 7

It looks nodular... maybe cancer, maybe some type of infection that got walled off into nodules in the liver... if you have a diagnostic lab for the state they might be able to run slides for you, but if the body is not preserved the tissue may already be breaking down.  I am so sorry for your loss and I hope it is nothing contagious!   hugs

Chicken math strikes again... we are now at 16 hens!  half are pullets that will start laying soon.  We just adopted 6 bcm chicks, and next week we'll have 25 surprise rare breed pullets and 2 female leghorn chicks.  :)  I love spring!!!!
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Chicken math strikes again... we are now at 16 hens!  half are pullets that will start laying soon.  We just adopted 6 bcm chicks, and next week we'll have 25 surprise rare breed pullets and 2 female leghorn chicks.  :)  I love spring!!!!
Friend my hens on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/HathawayHens

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There is no way to know unless you submit a sample to be looked at microscopically.  There are at least 10 diseases that could cause this from cancer to parasites (migrate through the liver leaving abscesses), to a septic condition, to a virus like mareks.

If you have another one die, I'd submit it for necropsy.  It's definitely not normal.

I have my 2 dogs (pit bull type dogs), 2 cats, and the chicken crew: Mabel (partridge rock), Eleanor (EE), Mildred (BLRW), Victoria (welsummer), Helen (EE), Norma (SLW), and Maxine (Columbian Wyandotte), Mathilda (Blue Rock) and Ester (BCM), all on my suburban "farm". 
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I have my 2 dogs (pit bull type dogs), 2 cats, and the chicken crew: Mabel (partridge rock), Eleanor (EE), Mildred (BLRW), Victoria (welsummer), Helen (EE), Norma (SLW), and Maxine (Columbian Wyandotte), Mathilda (Blue Rock) and Ester (BCM), all on my suburban "farm". 
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Speckeled Hen!   Thanks for the info--I'll look some of those up as soon as I can.  I appreciate your time!

Knock Kneed, I did scrape a "spot" out, it was mostly embedded in the surface....so....

I think Hathaway Hens is right that it is nodular, but I did bury the bird 2 1/2 weeks ago along with the "spot" so I did not get to looking at it under the microscope.  (I probably wouldn't know what to look for anyway).

I was kind of thinking it might be cancer just because there were many other organs (like the spleen) that looked to have been affected with the same spots...

Lemurchaser, I have had another chicken (a 2 month old pullet) die since then--actually today--but necropsy on that only showed the crop to be quite full and the trachea black...no spots or any thing like the older hen pictured.  I'm sorry if it disappoints anyone, but quite frankly, I've spent too much on the chickens already and have no time or money to get a vets help unless it is here.  I emailed Cornell University awhile ago to see if I could get help on diagnosis for other sick chicks that I had, but to no avail.  I even called the USDA about it when my 2nd chick was dying...they said I had to wait till 3 chickens died before they would consider letting me speak to a vet about my birds' health issues.  My experience with a regular local vet has been that they don't call back, and when they do, it is their secretary who calls and tells me that the vet cannot tell me over the phone how to dose piperazine wormer for my chickens.--I had to find that out on the internet as well.

So far, since getting chickens in October 09, I have lost 6 chickens---the first from an accident, the 2nd 2 were chicks (their necropsies showed urates on the kidneys and black tracheas---I think I figured out that I was giving them LAY mash instead of CHICK mash oops!--yes--I am new at chickens!) the 4th was a baby killed by a crow or raven and now their yard has netting over top, the 5th was this one pictured, the 6th was today and I haven't had much time to research bound crop or sour crop, soooo....here I am, posting my saga to see if there is enough knowledge to combine to help me out.

WOW--never even wanted to learn so much about chickens--but hey--my children are getting great science lessons!! smile

Thanks everyone for your input!! I appreciate the time you spent to help!!

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First thing that popped in my head was TB as well.  I would call the state vet, tell them you have pictures, send the pictures to them, and see if they believe it is worth pursuing further.  Let them know you do not have the funds to do diagnostics yourself.

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