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Originally Posted by Debbi 

Well Kim, you are not the only one with the stupid comb thing going on! he  Of the four pullets I have that are my F1s, and will be 16 weeks tomorrow, ALL but one has a carnation comb! somad Three weeks ago, three of them looked normal, and now they have sprouted overnight it seems. I tell you, it was all I could do to keep from losing my cookies! Went back and looked at my notes on them, and these were the babies that could've been from the left overs of Fuglee being in the pen. I sure hope this is the case! While Fuglee did not express the carnation, one of his sisters/hatchmate pullets did. So if he and the other pullets without the stupid combs each had one gene for carnation, the pairing would explain why now three of these babies have it! GEEEEEEESSSSS! The fourth baby in that bunch does not have a carnation, but still would carry the one gene for it, so now all of these pullets are destined to be culled out.

Don ~ Did any of your birds from the Jeanne/Presley breedings ever show up with sprigs or carnations?? I sure hope not, as that would mean that Clyde and Roy would carry one gene for it, as neither one expresses it. I want this problem gone!! All I can see lately are the combs! gig

That said, when the Fuglee soldiers were well out of the mix, I had three more chicks produced. One has a huge carnation comb, but I am assuming that this boy came from the hen that has the carnation herself. The other two chicks, one pullet, and one roo, don't have the carnations. Talk about depressing, it was enough to make me want to quit this breed. I suppose I could use the pullets for layers only, but without another pen yet, that will have to wait. I think I'd rather just cull them all off the place altogether. Soooo depressing!


Debbi, To be honest with you I believe most all BC Marans will produce a Sprig and if we do not single mate our Brood stock you will never be able to pin point where the sprig is coming from.  If you single mate a few then the matings that are clean you can then put the sisters in a pen and breed them together if you would like.

Talking about the Carnation Comb I have never seen any research on whether you have to have the gene on male and female side. From my experience I would say that just one copy of the gene will give you Carnation comb.

The over Brown male that I experimented with the later half of the breeding season did not produce any comb problems, I hatched out over 400 and all were culled with major color faults and shank feathering.

The four Dark males I ended up with from last year I hatched out over 400 and had about 10-12 with sprigs. I still have the four males and one hen and two pullets that got away when losding them.

I have never had a sprig or carnation comb in the Wheaten or White. I bought a dozen wheaten eggs this spring from Wisc. and two of the males had Carnation combs so culled all of the shipped egg chicks. I believe there are more Marans out there with Penne influence that Marans breeders will admit. I still have most of the young Wheaten as the buyer never showed up for them.

Don,

 

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post #18752 of 46068
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Originally Posted by Debbi 
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Originally Posted by pinkchick 

If the SPLASH ever are accepted into the APA it will be as "SPLASH


Ok...you know me and I am not being argumentative, so help me out here.......how can they be just Splash? Some varieties of Splash (not just talking Marans here) will allow patterns to come through, for example, Splash Laced Red Wyandottes show their laced pattern. The extra blue gene does not effect the lacing pattern on these birds, so how could they be judged as just Splash when clearly they would be laced?


I agree. If they are going to accept Splash, they are going to have to at least except the Splash and the Splash Copper. Then, like you say there are the other varieties. That sure won't be an easy SOP to come up with! hmm


I believe the best thing to do would be for someone to ask Walt Leonard to comment on this as he is in charge of the committee that will decide the fate of the Splash if they are ever admitted. So walt, care to comment on the SPLASH, And if there will be more than one SPLASH for the Marans.

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Don,

 

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post #18753 of 46068

Thanks Don,

  None of my BCMs have sprigs, just the carnation comb, and I attribute that to the very first batch of eggs I hatched from a man in KY. He's still churning out the eggs, so the Marans population will have more Penne crap infusing into the lines.

  Neither of my dark boys have a sprig or carnation, so I am hoping they are not the problem. As far as I understand the carnation, it takes two sets of genes for it to be expressed. I may be wrong here, but this is what I have read in the past. That would explain the first F1s if they did come from the brother/sister breeding. One gene came from the roo who did not express it, 2 genes would come from the hen that does express it, and 1 gene from the other two hens that don't express it. So, when the roo with 1 gene bred a hen with 1 gene, the chick ended up with TWO genes, and thus it was expressed. When the roo with 1 gene bred the hen with the carnation, well, indeed there was a carnation. Single matings should prove helpful down the road, but right now, I'm nowhere near set up for it.

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post #18754 of 46068
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Originally Posted by Debbi 

Thanks Don,

  None of my BCMs have sprigs, just the carnation comb, and I attribute that to the very first batch of eggs I hatched from a man in KY. He's still churning out the eggs, so the Marans population will have more Penne crap infusing into the lines.

  Neither of my dark boys have a sprig or carnation, so I am hoping they are not the problem. As far as I understand the carnation, it takes two sets of genes for it to be expressed. I may be wrong here, but this is what I have read in the past. That would explain the first F1s if they did come from the brother/sister breeding. One gene came from the roo who did not express it, 2 genes would come from the hen that does express it, and 1 gene from the other two hens that don't express it. So, when the roo with 1 gene bred a hen with 1 gene, the chick ended up with TWO genes, and thus it was expressed. When the roo with 1 gene bred the hen with the carnation, well, indeed there was a carnation. Single matings should prove helpful down the road, but right now, I'm nowhere near set up for it.


I think that VillageChicken had explained some about this over on the Cuckoo Marans and White Marans thread.

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post #18755 of 46068
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Originally Posted by pinkchick 
Quote:
Originally Posted by desertmarcy 

I'm new to Marans and have a pair of Splash Marans that hatched from Blue Copper Marans eggs I bought. This is my first time posting pics, so I hope it works! I would like opinions on these birds. Are they worthy of keeping/breeding? They are about 5-6 months old now. Currently, I have the roo separated, the hen is in with my blue copper roo and hens. I'm trying to decide what to do with them, especially the roo. I don't have an extra pen right now to put just this pair together. Thanks for input, I think they are lovely birds, but I haven't seen any before, so have nothing to compare to!
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/93512_splash_marans_hen_2.jpg
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/93512_splash_marans_cockerel_2.jpg


The splash pullet is lovely and I would use her to make some more Blue Coppers if you had a Black Copper male to breed her to.

Do you have another photo of the splash roo??? One that is more close up and a little clearer perhaps? Not saying your photos are bad, they are not, it's just that the one of the roo is not clear enough to see his coloration. smile
In this photo he appears to be a Splash Birchen....anyone else see this? Don? Geebs? Debbi?


I do have a pen with 5 black copper hens and 1 roo, I could put her in there, but I will need to be able to identify which are her eggs. My Marans are all youngish yet, so not all of them are laying yet. The black coppers have been the slowest to start laying of all my breeds. So if I breed the splash hen to a black copper, all the offspring will be blue copper? Like I said, I'm new to this...I'll get some more pics of the roo and post them. smile

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Chickens: Black and Blue Copper Marans, Rhode Island Red (Mohawk line), Barred Rock (Good Shepard line), New Hampshire (German line), Spangled Russian Orloffs, and red and black sex-links. A motley crew of various breeds in my mixed layer pen. Poults/chicks sold locally and shipped. I feed all organic.

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Chickens: Black and Blue Copper Marans, Rhode Island Red (Mohawk line), Barred Rock (Good Shepard line), New Hampshire (German line), Spangled Russian Orloffs, and red and black sex-links. A motley crew of various breeds in my mixed layer pen. Poults/chicks sold locally and shipped. I feed all organic.

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post #18756 of 46068
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Originally Posted by desertmarcy 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkchick 
Quote:
Originally Posted by desertmarcy 

I'm new to Marans and have a pair of Splash Marans that hatched from Blue Copper Marans eggs I bought. This is my first time posting pics, so I hope it works! I would like opinions on these birds. Are they worthy of keeping/breeding? They are about 5-6 months old now. Currently, I have the roo separated, the hen is in with my blue copper roo and hens. I'm trying to decide what to do with them, especially the roo. I don't have an extra pen right now to put just this pair together. Thanks for input, I think they are lovely birds, but I haven't seen any before, so have nothing to compare to!
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/93512_splash_marans_hen_2.jpg
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/93512_splash_marans_cockerel_2.jpg


The splash pullet is lovely and I would use her to make some more Blue Coppers if you had a Black Copper male to breed her to.

Do you have another photo of the splash roo??? One that is more close up and a little clearer perhaps? Not saying your photos are bad, they are not, it's just that the one of the roo is not clear enough to see his coloration. smile
In this photo he appears to be a Splash Birchen....anyone else see this? Don? Geebs? Debbi?


I do have a pen with 5 black copper hens and 1 roo, I could put her in there, but I will need to be able to identify which are her eggs. My Marans are all youngish yet, so not all of them are laying yet. The black coppers have been the slowest to start laying of all my breeds. So if I breed the splash hen to a black copper, all the offspring will be blue copper? Like I said, I'm new to this...I'll get some more pics of the roo and post them. smile


Yes. Although some may not show the coppering, genetically, they will all be Blue Coppers. big_smile

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post #18757 of 46068
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Originally Posted by Hens and Roos 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Debbi 

Thanks Don,

  None of my BCMs have sprigs, just the carnation comb, and I attribute that to the very first batch of eggs I hatched from a man in KY. He's still churning out the eggs, so the Marans population will have more Penne crap infusing into the lines.

  Neither of my dark boys have a sprig or carnation, so I am hoping they are not the problem. As far as I understand the carnation, it takes two sets of genes for it to be expressed. I may be wrong here, but this is what I have read in the past. That would explain the first F1s if they did come from the brother/sister breeding. One gene came from the roo who did not express it, 2 genes would come from the hen that does express it, and 1 gene from the other two hens that don't express it. So, when the roo with 1 gene bred a hen with 1 gene, the chick ended up with TWO genes, and thus it was expressed. When the roo with 1 gene bred the hen with the carnation, well, indeed there was a carnation. Single matings should prove helpful down the road, but right now, I'm nowhere near set up for it.


I think that VillageChicken had explained some about this over on the Cuckoo Marans and White Marans thread.




Yes, I believe that's probably where I read it. I knew it was somewhere on one of the Marans threads here. Thanks Hens!

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post #18758 of 46068
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Originally Posted by desertmarcy 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkchick 
Quote:
Originally Posted by desertmarcy 

I'm new to Marans and have a pair of Splash Marans that hatched from Blue Copper Marans eggs I bought. This is my first time posting pics, so I hope it works! I would like opinions on these birds. Are they worthy of keeping/breeding? They are about 5-6 months old now. Currently, I have the roo separated, the hen is in with my blue copper roo and hens. I'm trying to decide what to do with them, especially the roo. I don't have an extra pen right now to put just this pair together. Thanks for input, I think they are lovely birds, but I haven't seen any before, so have nothing to compare to!
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/93512_splash_marans_hen_2.jpg
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/93512_splash_marans_cockerel_2.jpg


The splash pullet is lovely and I would use her to make some more Blue Coppers if you had a Black Copper male to breed her to.

Do you have another photo of the splash roo??? One that is more close up and a little clearer perhaps? Not saying your photos are bad, they are not, it's just that the one of the roo is not clear enough to see his coloration. smile
In this photo he appears to be a Splash Birchen....anyone else see this? Don? Geebs? Debbi?


I'll get some more pics of the roo and post them. smile


Here they are, hope these show him better, he was being very cooperative big_smile
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/93512_splash_marans_cockerel_3.jpg
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/93512_splash_marans_cockerel_4.jpg
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/93512_splash_marans_cockerel_5.jpg
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/93512_splash_marans_cockerel_6_head_shot_closeup.jpg

Heritage turkeys: Royal Palm, Blue Slate & Lavender, Mottled Black, and Narragansett

Chickens: Black and Blue Copper Marans, Rhode Island Red (Mohawk line), Barred Rock (Good Shepard line), New Hampshire (German line), Spangled Russian Orloffs, and red and black sex-links. A motley crew of various breeds in my mixed layer pen. Poults/chicks sold locally and shipped. I feed all organic.

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Heritage turkeys: Royal Palm, Blue Slate & Lavender, Mottled Black, and Narragansett

Chickens: Black and Blue Copper Marans, Rhode Island Red (Mohawk line), Barred Rock (Good Shepard line), New Hampshire (German line), Spangled Russian Orloffs, and red and black sex-links. A motley crew of various breeds in my mixed layer pen. Poults/chicks sold locally and shipped. I feed all organic.

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post #18759 of 46068
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Originally Posted by desertmarcy 
Quote:
Originally Posted by desertmarcy 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkchick 


The splash pullet is lovely and I would use her to make some more Blue Coppers if you had a Black Copper male to breed her to.

Do you have another photo of the splash roo??? One that is more close up and a little clearer perhaps? Not saying your photos are bad, they are not, it's just that the one of the roo is not clear enough to see his coloration. smile
In this photo he appears to be a Splash Birchen....anyone else see this? Don? Geebs? Debbi?


I'll get some more pics of the roo and post them. smile


Here they are, hope these show him better, he was being very cooperative big_smile
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/93512_splash_marans_cockerel_3.jpg
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/93512_splash_marans_cockerel_4.jpg
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/93512_splash_marans_cockerel_5.jpg
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/93512_splash_marans_cockerel_6_head_shot_closeup.jpg


He has some barring in there too... does not look like my splash copper roo.  I like him.

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My Breeds and Hatching Eggs that are available HERE

My reg and Mega Incubator with turner HERE the Mega bator has a link at the bottom of the page

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post #18760 of 46068

I'm also seeing some barring in there, as in Cuckoo??

DMRippy ~  I love the color on your boy!

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