Sumatra Thread! - Page 141

Neon Green legs has that effect on sumatras dark legs.
That's a good thing you pointed there.

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is  that a splash? or is that a stray white feather?

does anyone know of the white sumatra in the US or is that only a european thing?

 

 Just thought I'd point this out. If a bird has pink soles, that means that they're white skinned. White skin is always dominant over yellow skin so if you bred a white skinned (pink soled) bird to a green legged bird, you'll get more pink soled birds with a few yellow based legs coming through.  Not trying to be mean here, just pointing it out for those that don't already know. Also, something to keep in mind is that the pink soles from a white skinned bird are not to be confused with the bleaching process of a laying hen

I will make sure to read this thanks. Didnt know on the splashes as I only do black and just recently dun and havent even done dun to dun yet still kicking that around. 

flyingmonypoop I have bred a lot of the green leged sumatra's with my hen that has pink bottom feet and the chicks all turn out with yellow soles and she has always had pink bottom feet even when she was a chick she has not layed for two years sadly. and I am not the only one who knows this three of the sumatra breeders that I know of do it a lot and the same thing happens to them they hatch out 40  or more chicks a year with only 4 getting the pink bottom gene. they have been doing it  all there lifes and yes they do show at the ohio National and yes they are listed as grand master breeders and grand master exhibitors in the American poultry Association . they tell me that this how you do well is to try new things even if it sounds crazy. sorry I hate to sound like a know it all but this is what happen. if you do not think so I can understand but the truth is the truth and that is all I can say.        

Edited by championsumatra - 1/21/13 at 9:04pm

Genetics would only allow the 4 chicks to come out with pink/white if a parent was white legged. Yellow legs are recessive and can't hide white legs. The chance that 10% of the chicks come out with a mutation is unlikely as well. One of the hens was likely a white soled bird carrying the gene for yellow legs so that only half of the offspring of that bird would have white soles.

Our green legged splash Sumatras came out of our blues that had black legs. When bred back to black all the chicks had black legs. The whites bred here in CA also have yellow legs, as well as a white Jersey Giant that I used to have. I have only ever had one black hen with green on the feet. But she didn't show it till she was four years old, and it was only around the toes and ankles. Her feet gained more and more yellow on the soled as she aged. She started with just pencil line yellow soles, then each year more yellow till the point that the entire soles were yellow without a freckle, and the sides of her toes were yellow too. She was my best hen.

Green legs are because the base color is yellow, the black pigment usually covers this, which is why the soles are yellow, they only show green in the splash because the black pigment is diluted in the splash, causing it to look green.  If the base is pink, they usually would have slate legs like in the phoenix.   Genetically speaking the pink is more dominant than yellow, but if your pink legged bird is carrying a recessive yellow, then when crossed with yellow, would probably make the yellow more dominant, which is probably the case with your sumatras, since they are out of birds that should be yellow legged.. In my breeding program, I just chose to cull birds that don't have yellow bottoms, which I think I have had one in the last 5 years, but If they don't have a dark face, multiple spurs and yellow bottoms, they are not used for breeding.  Unless starting a new color variety, but after first cross they must meet the same criteria as the blacks

 I am not the only one who has tryed this like I said in the other post there are three sumatra breeders that I know of breed their sumatras with the pink botton soles and they hatch  40 chicks  and only 4 end up with the pink bottom feet. I am breeding this hen only because she has three spurs per leg she has a very dark face and great color for a blue sumatra. this is photo is her. and I will get a leg shot of her so you can see what I mean.

 

The black pigment does not cause the green legs. Yellow legs with the melanin cause black legs with yellow soles. Slate legs and black legs are not the same. Slate legs with yellow instead of white is green. Black legs with yellow is just black legs and yellow pads.

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