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What exactly is a tolbunt polish color suppose to be ?

Can some one please describe the color.

Are they suppose to be Mottled, Spangled or Speckled, or like Millie Fluer idunno
I have seen some Tolbunts with Gold lacing ?

I know Tolbunt polish breeds could not decide on the same standard, but what is the color suppose to be more or less.


I have seen different shades & color patterns in them.


Thank You,

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Originally Posted by josh44 

What exactly is a tolbunt polish color suppose to be ?

Can some one please describe the color.

Are they suppose to be Mottled, Spangled or Speckled, or like Millie Fluer idunno
I have seen some Tolbunts with Gold lacing ?

I know Tolbunt polish breeds could not decide on the same standard, but what is the color suppose to be more or less.


I have seen different shades & color patterns in them.


Thank You,


The Tolbunt is its own color/ variety just like  Mottled, Spangled and Millie Fluer are there own variety.
If memory serves me right you make the color/ variety by crossing Gold Single Laced and Mille Fleur, and then intercross the F1's. 
Here is a link to the Polish Breeders Club that giver a good description on what the variety should look like.. 
http://www.polishbreedersclub.com/tolbunt.htm

Chris

 

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I've heard some folks say its mille fleur on gold lacing, but one of the genetic guru's here on BYC said its *mottling* on gold lacing - and IIRC, they were pretty adamant that mille fleur would mess it up.

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Kat ~ Fox Hill Farm
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Bantams: Polish, cochins, silkies, seramas & modern games
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Thank you, thank you, thank you. I have wondered, and even asked what Tolbunt meant to no avail.

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Originally Posted by TurtleFeathers 

I've heard some folks say its mille fleur on gold lacing, but one of the genetic guru's here on BYC said its *mottling* on gold lacing - and IIRC, they were pretty adamant that mille fleur would mess it up.


A lot depends on how you talk too.
Henk69 says you can get it from crossing by crossing Gold Single Laced and Mille Fleur, and then intercross the F1's
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=330325&p=3

But Blackdott says that you should use Gold Single Laced crossed with Mottling and that Mille Fleur should not be used... 

Chris

 

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Breeding Large Fowl Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds to APA Standard


"I know of no pursuit in which more real and important services can be rendered to any country than by improving its agriculture, its breed of useful animals, and other branches of a husbandman's cares." – 

George Washington

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Breeding Large Fowl Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds to APA Standard


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George Washington

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I read that Russian orlorffs can be used also ???

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Does anybody Have any tolbunts here on BYC ?
If so can you post some pics. I'd really like to see some.

The color patterns & shades Varry from what I can see.

So I'm guessing, & I may be wrong, but I'm guessing that people made them their own way using different breeds to get the tolbunt color hu

Is there something written out that explains the genetics or creation of the Tolbunt color ?

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Here is an excellent article on the genetics of tolbunt coloration:

http://www.chickencolours.com/TollbuntWyanEng.pdf

And here is a frizzle tolbunt Polish on Greenfire Farms:

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q204/kimera1/tolbunt2.jpg

And here are some of Greenfire's young tolbunt Polish chicks:

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q204/kimera1/tolbunt.jpg


Edited by stoneunhenged - 9/7/10 at 5:06pm

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Baregretchen has stunning Tolbunts-give her a pm including this thread:-)

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Silver Laced Brahmas, Tolbunts,BBS Marans, Tolbunt mixed bucket of fun eggs and ;A bunch of projects working right now!!!!! 

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post #10 of 1135

Josh,

There's a lot of outdated information out there regarding Tollbunt Polish, frankly due to the fact that we hadn't much of a clue how to go about breeding them when we first got them. Speaking as someone who tried the Orloff cross it is a complete waste of time, don't do it.

That being said, The proper patterning in Polish is a deep mahoghany brown base color with black laced edging of equal thickness which comes to the feather's tip and the tip is then mottled in white in the teardrop pattern. So to outcross you would want to use gold lace Polish. BUT part of the problem in that is that gold polish in the states are too orange to maintain the deep rich brown that is found in good tollbunts.....its kind of the same situation as what happened when folks started crossing gold laced wyandottes into blue laced reds.

The original Tollbunts that were imported into the U.S. were not from the best specimens but we could not have known that at the time as there was so much confusion about them. At one point we realized what we were breeding was so different that it should be a different color (some suggested to call it Harlequin) but that plan never came to fruition as there simply wasn't enough birds to go around to try to breed them into two seperate patterns.

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President of the Polish Breeders Club, breeder of Polish (pretty much my entire life), American Gamefowl (10 years) and bantam Cubalayas (a few years)...also an artist, check out some of my chicken-related merchandise! www.cafepress.com/hoffmanart

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