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Originally Posted by Vcomb 

The original Tollbunts that were imported into the U.S. were not from the best specimens but we could not have known that at the time as there was so much confusion about them. At one point we realized what we were breeding was so different that it should be a different color (some suggested to call it Harlequin) but that plan never came to fruition as there simply wasn't enough birds to go around to try to breed them into two seperate patterns.


Can you tell us more detail about the original importation such as timing and country of origin?  Thanks for your helpful comments.

The avatar is an ayam cemani chick hatched on our farm.

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The avatar is an ayam cemani chick hatched on our farm.

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post #12 of 990

Not sure when the first were imported or by who truthfully, but I know the majority of what came here came out of England as eggs. Would have most likely been at the turn of the century (early 2000's). (and as a side note...so cool to be able to say things like "at the turn of the century!"). The color originated if I recall in Germany, but even that is a little fuzzy. Some say it was an accidental cross that bred mostly true, others say it was the result of a plan to try and make mille fluer Polish that was only half way completed. Myself and some others suspect there is actually Houdan blood in the mix, but we have no physical proof to back this up, only circumstantial evidence.

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post #13 of 990
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Personally  would have to agree on the Houdan Blood being used in tolbunts. I thought about it & it only made sence to me,
starting out with a bird that already had mottleing .

If I do any color projects it will probably be Porcaline or silver or golden barred polish .

I have no plans on making tolbunt polish.

Josh what do you thinkg of my golden laced polish bantams? I'd really like your opinion, especially on the young cockerel. There is just something about him that I like not sure why. Maybe because he is darker shade of gold. should he be used in my breedings ???
He is still young maybe about 5 months old, so he still has some filling out to do.

he is darker in person than in the pic.

http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/12005_p3210554.jpg

http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/12005_p3210570.jpg   http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/12005_p3210557.jpg

http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/12005_p3210555.jpg


Edited by josh44 - 9/7/10 at 6:33pm
post #14 of 990
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Originally Posted by stoneunhenged 

Here is an excellent article on the genetics of tolbunt coloration:

http://www.chickencolours.com/TollbuntWyanEng.pdf

And here is a frizzle tolbunt Polish on Greenfire Farms:

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q204/kimera1/tolbunt2.jpg

And here are some of Greenfire's young tolbunt Polish chicks:

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q204/kimera1/tolbunt.jpg


Those Tolbunt Wyandottes are AWESOME epdroolindroolin
Thanks I just thought tolbunt color  was a millie color pattern or a red mottled splash color.

post #15 of 990

Josh,

he's lacking lacing in the head, hackle and beard. with the rest of the body being so laced it makes the bird look unbalanced. just remember, by the bantam standard the cocks need only a black v tip on the hackles, saddles, and shoulders...although I breed for a bird with as much lacing as possible. I'd say use him. If you have a hen that is well laced in the beard, use her with him. the frizzle hen, in my opinion, is much too light.


And Tollbunt wyandottes are awesome, but remember, tollbunt in wyandotte is not the same exact pattern as tollbunt in polish. just like how silver lace polish and silver lace wyandottes are different.

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post #16 of 990
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Originally Posted by josh44 

Those Tolbunt Wyandottes are AWESOME epdroolindroolin


They ARE awesome - but they're also photoshopped in that article.  Would really be something to have birds like THAT in real life, wouldn't it?


Edited by TurtleFeathers - 9/7/10 at 7:02pm
Kat ~ Fox Hill Farm
LF: Tolbunt Polish, BLRW's, BBS/BW Ameraucanas & EE's
Bantams: Polish, cochins, silkies, seramas & modern games
Plus mandarins, muscovies, guineas, and a herd of turtles!!!
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Kat ~ Fox Hill Farm
LF: Tolbunt Polish, BLRW's, BBS/BW Ameraucanas & EE's
Bantams: Polish, cochins, silkies, seramas & modern games
Plus mandarins, muscovies, guineas, and a herd of turtles!!!
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post #17 of 990

I need some updated pics...but I am thinking about working on a "tolbunt" Houdan bantam.

I'm still looking for a suitable hen for this guy...

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m53/Equibling/Houdans/Brown%20Houdan/DSCN4490-1.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m53/Equibling/Houdans/Brown%20Houdan/DSCN4482-1.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m53/Equibling/Houdans/Brown%20Houdan/DSCN4484-1.jpg

Some pictures of the same rooster when he was younger...
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m53/Equibling/Houdans/DSCN4629.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m53/Equibling/Houdans/DSCN4133.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m53/Equibling/Houdans/DSCN4134.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m53/Equibling/Houdans/DSCN4090.jpg

Rare Feathers Farm was founded in 2006 and is located just outside of Okanogan, Washington. We specialize in rare and critically endangered poultry.

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Rare Feathers Farm was founded in 2006 and is located just outside of Okanogan, Washington. We specialize in rare and critically endangered poultry.

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President of the Polish Breeders Club, breeder of Polish (pretty much my entire life), American Gamefowl (10 years) and bantam Cubalayas (a few years)...also an artist, check out some of my chicken-related merchandise! www.cafepress.com/hoffmanart

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President of the Polish Breeders Club, breeder of Polish (pretty much my entire life), American Gamefowl (10 years) and bantam Cubalayas (a few years)...also an artist, check out some of my chicken-related merchandise! www.cafepress.com/hoffmanart

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post #19 of 990
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Originally Posted by Vcomb 


I'd recommend gold lace polish to cross to him. You could start your own line of tollbunt Polish bantams cool


That would be just too cool - but what about the 5th toe on the houdan?  How long would that take to breed out?

Kat ~ Fox Hill Farm
LF: Tolbunt Polish, BLRW's, BBS/BW Ameraucanas & EE's
Bantams: Polish, cochins, silkies, seramas & modern games
Plus mandarins, muscovies, guineas, and a herd of turtles!!!
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Kat ~ Fox Hill Farm
LF: Tolbunt Polish, BLRW's, BBS/BW Ameraucanas & EE's
Bantams: Polish, cochins, silkies, seramas & modern games
Plus mandarins, muscovies, guineas, and a herd of turtles!!!
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post #20 of 990
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Originally Posted by TurtleFeathers 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vcomb 


I'd recommend gold lace polish to cross to him. You could start your own line of tollbunt Polish bantams cool


That would be just too cool - but what about the 5th toe on the houdan?  How long would that take to breed out?


I'm not sure...I wouldn't think it could take more than a few generations...

Rare Feathers Farm was founded in 2006 and is located just outside of Okanogan, Washington. We specialize in rare and critically endangered poultry.

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Rare Feathers Farm was founded in 2006 and is located just outside of Okanogan, Washington. We specialize in rare and critically endangered poultry.

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