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post #11 of 12217

What do you think of him overall, besides his comb leaning over ???
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/12005_dsc00035.jpg

I'd like some opinions, I'm not too familure with barred rocks.

thanks BYC smile


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Originally Posted by Illia 
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Originally Posted by Chris09 

Hello Bob,
Good to see you here again.

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Originally Posted by Robert Blosl 

What do you think is a Heritage  Style of Poultry like the above cattle breeds I mentioned?


I feel the same as Matt Lhamon on this term and it is getting to be a new marketing term to get people to raise some of the old breeds. Here is the ALBC "Definition of a Heritage Chicken" -
Definition:
Heritage Chicken must adhere to all the following:
1. APA Standard Breed. Heritage Chicken must be from parent and grandparent stock of breeds recognized by the American Poultry Association (APA) prior to the mid-20th century; whose genetic line can be traced back multiple generations; and with traits that meet the APA Standard of Perfection guidelines for the breed. Heritage Chicken must be produced and sired by an APA Standard breed. Heritage eggs must be laid by an APA Standard breed.
2. Naturally mating. Heritage Chicken must be reproduced and genetically maintained through natural mating.  Chickens marketed as Heritage must be the result of naturally mating pairs of both grandparent and parent stock.
3. Long, productive outdoor lifespan. Heritage Chicken must have the genetic ability to live a long, vigorous life and thrive in the rigors of pasture-based, outdoor production systems. Breeding hens should be productive for 5-7 years and roosters for 3-5 years.
4. Slow growth rate. Heritage Chicken must have a moderate to slow rate of growth, reaching appropriate market weight for the breed in no less than 16 weeks. This gives the chicken time to develop strong skeletal structure and healthy organs prior to building muscle mass.
Chickens marketed as Heritage must include the variety and breed name on the label.
Terms like heirloom, antique, old-fashioned, and old timey imply Heritage and are understood to be synonymous with the definition provided here.
Abbreviated  Definition: A Heritage Egg can only be produced by an American Poultry Association Standard breed. A Heritage Chicken is hatched from a heritage egg sired by an American Poultry Association Standard breed established prior to the mid-20th century, is slow growing, naturally mated with a long productive outdoor life.
The American Livestock Breeds Conservancy has over 30 years of experience, knowledge, and understanding of endangered breeds, genetic conservation, and breeder networks.
Endorsed by the following individuals:
Frank Reese, Reese Turkeys, Good Shepherd Turkey Ranch, Standard Bred Poultry Institute, and American Poultry Association;
Marjorie Bender, Research & Technical Program Director, American Livestock Breeds Conservancy
D. Phillip Sponenberg, DVM, PhD., Technical Advisor, American Livestock Breeds Conservancy, and Professor, Veterinary Pathology and Genetics, Virginia Tech;
Don Bixby, DVM. Independent Consultant, former Executive Director for the American Livestock Breeds Conservancy;
R. Scott Beyer, PhD, Associate Professor, Poultry Nutrition Management, Kansas State University,
Danny Williamson, Windmill Farm, Good Shepherd Turkey Ranch, and American Poultry Association;
Anne Fanatico, PhD, Research Associate, Center for Excellence for Poultry Science, University of Arkansas;
Kenneth E. Anderson, Professor, Poultry Extension Specialist, North Carolina State University.

Chris


Now, for a thread or site on that very criteria. . . bow

Seriously, forget hatchery bred stuff - Where's the real, heritage, APA fit breeds?


I believe/ hope that this thread could be that thread.
A very knowledgeable breeder has started this thread and should have a lot to offer.

I think that a lot of "breeders" /people just assume that just because they have a Barred Rock or a Rhode Island Red that they have a " Heritage " breed chicken but seem to forget that a Heritage breed is bred to the American Standard of  Perfection...

But I do hope that we can get some of the more serious breeders of "Heritage" Breeds that are bred to the Standard in here.

Chris

 

NPIP # 31-516
Society for the Preservation of Poultry Antiquities http://sppa.webs.com/

Breeding Large Fowl Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds to APA Standard


"I know of no pursuit in which more real and important services can be rendered to any country than by improving its agriculture, its breed of useful animals, and other branches of a husbandman's cares." – 

George Washington

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NPIP # 31-516
Society for the Preservation of Poultry Antiquities http://sppa.webs.com/

Breeding Large Fowl Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds to APA Standard


"I know of no pursuit in which more real and important services can be rendered to any country than by improving its agriculture, its breed of useful animals, and other branches of a husbandman's cares." – 

George Washington

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post #13 of 12217

I do Black Orpingtons.
William Cook founded the breed in 1886 crossing Black Minorcas, Langshans, and Rock. 
I recieved my original Black Orpington flock from a breeder who has Cecil Moore Black Orpingtons lines over onto Gayle & Norm Pontious Black Orpington lines. 
The Pontious's I believe no longer breed Blacks. 
And Cecil is near 90 and does not sell anything anymore. 
Here are my first 2 generations to look at that I currently have.
2nd generation cocks are each from different hens that I recieved last year
Here are couple of my Grand parent stock
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL427/739981/2386315/363944705.jpg
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL427/739981/2386315/363944913.jpg

Here are the three cocks I use
I have shown all three
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL427/739981/21043320/386553199.jpg
http://i745.photobucket.com/albums/xx94/lildinkem/000_6799.jpg?t=1284945925

http://i745.photobucket.com/albums/xx94/lildinkem/000_6678.jpg?t=1284946206
http://i745.photobucket.com/albums/xx94/lildinkem/000_6772.jpg?t=1284945979

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL427/739981/21043320/390752280.jpg
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL427/739981/21043320/390720068.jpg


Edited by lildinkem - 9/19/10 at 6:49pm
I have had chickens ONLY since May 2008.  I am NO EXPERT!  I raise German Sheps since 1989.  I raise chickens with a dog breeder's mentality.  I breed for traits.  And put them all together and call it a burd.
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I have had chickens ONLY since May 2008.  I am NO EXPERT!  I raise German Sheps since 1989.  I raise chickens with a dog breeder's mentality.  I breed for traits.  And put them all together and call it a burd.
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post #14 of 12217
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Originally Posted by kathyinmo 

Hey, this is a great idea .... A thread dedicated to the Heritage breeds. I hope to see lots of pictures, and get educated along the way.


Ahhh.......I see that you and the other troublemaker (Beth) are here. Robert knows his stuff, so he will be a big help to you ladies.

Walt Leonard.

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Originally Posted by joletabey 

I changed my mind.


Of course you did.....hahaha.

post #16 of 12217
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Originally Posted by fowlman01 
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Originally Posted by kathyinmo 

Hey, this is a great idea .... A thread dedicated to the Heritage breeds. I hope to see lots of pictures, and get educated along the way.


Ahhh.......I see that you and the other troublemaker (Beth) are here. Robert knows his stuff, so he will be a big help to you ladies.

Walt Leonard.


Of course we are here! Beth was mumbling something, and changed her mind. lau

I heard Bob was a pretty good guy to help us all out on obtaining true Heritage poultry. We are all excited about this thread!  Of course you will chime in too, right?

 

 

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post #17 of 12217
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Originally Posted by Robert Blosl 

I just got an email from a person who needs Barred Rock Large Fowl females who has large fowl Cockerels. She also wants the old fashion Rhode Island Red Large Fowl and wants me to help her find a good true to breed line. It made me think how many people out there have or breed old fashion Heritage Large Fowl Chickens?

When I was a little boy growing up in  South West Washington State my dad use to take us on drives every Sunday in the country. As we drove by these old farms there were signs outside these farmers fences that would show Registered Polled Herefords, Black Angus, Brown Swiss, Jersey, Holstein and Shorthorn Cattle to just name a few. When I would go to the sale barns I never saw these kinds of cattle just the normal mix match type of cattle or half Guernsey half Herford type caves.

What do you think is a Heritage  Style of Poultry like the above cattle breeds I mentioned?

Do any of you have any of these rare breeds?

How many Heat age Large Fowl do you think are left in the Country during the winter months in the breeding Pens? 100 -200- 300 birds per old rare breed?

What has happen to the folks like Grand Ma who use to have a flock of nice Heritage  Chickens in the 1950s?

Do you think many want to preserve these old rare breeds?

These are just a few ideas I had today as I was feeding my chickens and after I got this email from one of the members of this board. Look forward to your replies and pictures of old birds. One breed that has made major strides in the past ten years is the Buckeye folks. It proves what they have done in the past five years can be done with any old rare breed.


I was just reading this in Poultry Magazine today!

I find it exciting to think that somewhere there is "grandma's" flock of pure stock from "olden days". The article spoke of record layers from breeds that just don't do it anymore. sad

I think someone should make a database type website when they do find these living museums. I know I would give my left arm and right leg for some true heritage stock... Dels, BR, NH,WR.... anyone's grandparents got these?!?!

Let's talk about fish!

 

Find me and my chickens on facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Tate-Poultry/262357597147981 
 

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Let's talk about fish!

 

Find me and my chickens on facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Tate-Poultry/262357597147981 
 

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post #18 of 12217
Thread Starter 

Wow I go to work and got emails coming in like crazy. Go to the site and you guys are on page two allready. Thanks. I thought all day about this idea. Its very dear to my heart as I started out and worked very hard as a young boy and thought I purchased old fashion chickens but both times I was hit with chickens that wher imposters. Barred Rocks and Light Brahmas.  Finaly, on my third try at age 12 I sent $25. to a fellow in Custer Park Illinois named Geogre Underwood. He sent me a young trio  of Single Comb Rhode Island Reds that where worth $50. To a young boy that worked seven days in the straw berry patch picking strawberrys this was a treat for me. These Reds where so dark they looked black. I breed and rasied them till I left home in 1967. I will never forget this man and helping me as a junior member  of the Rhode Island Red Club. I have devoted over 22 years learning every thing I could about Rhode Island Reds the old fashion type and teaching every buddy I can how to breed them. Its not easy and there are not many out there. But large fowl old fashion chickens are on the rise. I got three pictures in tonight that are Barred Rocks from the Frank Reese Ranch in Kansas. What pretty barring and clean white color. Big birds with yellow legs. I hope to get the pictures on Photo Bucket so you can see them. Thanks Kathy for sending them to me. The barred rock from Texas take a look at the saddle feathers on this male. Art Schiling use to call those side hangers. This is the old trait from the E B Thompson line of the 1920. The last strain was from Ralph Sturegeon line and that is what Frank Reese has. Please send pictues of your old fashion large fowl to this site. I dont want anyone calling a barred rock a Dominecker. Dominic Chickens are so rare I dont think the true to breed ones will hit a 100 birds in the USA. Any one who has them and breeds this old breed are special. They are so rare but where some of the first chickens in the APA standard. I look forward to your messages and your pictures and lets try to help the new person out there who wants pretty chickens  and that wants to try to help us old guys keep these old gene pools going. bob

Need a gift for a love one go to my web site and look at my custom turned ink pens. A portion of my profits goes to charitys in our local area and one poultry club The Panhandle Poutlry Club in Penscola Florida. Two shows one in March and December

 

http://bobspens.webs.com/

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Need a gift for a love one go to my web site and look at my custom turned ink pens. A portion of my profits goes to charitys in our local area and one poultry club The Panhandle Poutlry Club in Penscola Florida. Two shows one in March and December

 

http://bobspens.webs.com/

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post #19 of 12217

Thank you Bob if I could get some BR's that looked like that one from Texas I'd get some what a purdy fella. I'm just starting out with Delawares and have some Partridge Rocks and Silver Penciled Rocks they are not easy to find but worth it. I'm loving the comments I get from my friends about how big they are I'm loving the eggs and meat good thing since culling seems to be very important on the path to improvement .....Glad you're here to give us a big helping hand.

It costs less to have the very best. Trying to raise Delawares and Marans I also have Silver Penciled Rocks New Hampshires Midget Whites Bourbons and Royal Palms......home of many APHA horses. Breeder of World Champions and Honor Roll Champions and High Point winners. I love to trail ride and camp with my friends.
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It costs less to have the very best. Trying to raise Delawares and Marans I also have Silver Penciled Rocks New Hampshires Midget Whites Bourbons and Royal Palms......home of many APHA horses. Breeder of World Champions and Honor Roll Champions and High Point winners. I love to trail ride and camp with my friends.
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post #20 of 12217

Here are those pictures, Bob ....

http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/31282_woeppelchickensaugust2010002.jpg

http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/31282_woeppelchickensaugust2010006.jpg

http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/31282_woeppelchickensaugust2010008.jpg

 

 

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