Embden Goose- How To Tell Sex

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Hi! How are you miss Lydia?
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I am doing fine @naaif How are you? and all your bird friends?
 
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hii miss lydia. my goose pair now started to mating. two times they mate. bt some time female one also try to mat with gander. is it ok ?
 
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Well then you'd better come and let my embden ganders know that they need to suck it in, cause everyone of them has one!

This is 2 embden ganders at about (supposedly) 14 months old
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This is one of the same ganders about 6 months later (in back)
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The embdens in this pic are 3 ganders and 1 goose, one of the ganders and the goose are young, about 7 months old
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This is a pic of the 2 younger ones, the female is in front. Notice the difference in beak color
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ETA: On feathersite http://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/Geese/BRKEmbden.html the 3rd pic down has a pair of adult embdens, both lobed.

Holderread's pictures of male and female embdens show both with lobes http://www.holderreadfarm.com/photogallery/embden_page/embden_page.htm
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male and female Embdens are supposed to be lobed (the pouch under their bellies), but they don't normally get it until they are over 1 year old. So if you have an embden that does not have lobes, chances are it is a youngster.
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Can anyone tell me if I have ganders or geese? I can't tell the difference between these two
 
Can you tell me if I have males or females?
 

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