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Here is a question for you rookies out there. Its not historical but in a way I know how it happen i saw it first.

 

I got a phone call from my partner Chuck in Arkansas last night as we talk every week for about four years on Reds and everything else.

 

He said I killed a Red today. I said you did what happen had a bad personality. He said no he was a Red Rock. I gave him the benefit of the doubt as I had four nice males but I just not look at him anymore. He did not breed any chicks this year from his four males and five females as he was having health issues all winter so these birds will be conditioned and shown and will be his breeders for next winter.

 

He has my Rhode Island Reds and he got me the Buff Brahmas from Bill Bowen of Ohio and the White Leghorn bantams from a old line out of Idaho that is about 50 years old. He no longer has leghorns so i am stuck with them and the Brahmas I finally had a good year with and hope to share with those who want the old Bill Bowen line from Ohio. Bill had some of the best I ever saw.

 

So have any of you beginners ever saw a RED ROCK. There in the poultry press every month. I have a box of 22 shells and a pistol loaded if i see one I shoot it on sight. Look forward to your reply. I will try to find you some pictures of one so if you every see one you will get it off your propertye  if you are smart they are like Cancer in the breeding pen. Once you get it in your strain you are screwed for life.  Judges lilke them however.

 

Have a great day. I am going to the horse stable to get horse manure for my chickens. Here is another question what am I going to do with it and my  chickens?  

 

  New York Reds your chicks from your male are looking good. I am putting two eggs in a small incubator today.Will hatch from him for three more weeks. bob


Edited by Robert Blosl - 5/30/12 at 6:07am
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Here is a question for you rookies out there. Its not historical but in a way I know how it happen i saw it first.

 

I got a phone call from my partner Chuck in Arkansas last night as we talk every week for about four years on Reds and everything else.

 

He said I killed a Red today. I said you did what happen had a bad personality. He said no he was a Red Rock. I gave him the benefit of the doubt as I had four nice males but I just not look at him anymore. He did not breed any chicks this year from his four males and five females as he was having health issues all winter so these birds will be conditioned and shown and will be his breeders for next winter.

 

He has my Rhode Island Reds and he got me the Buff Brahmas from Bill Bowen of Ohio and the White Leghorn bantams from a old line out of Idaho that is about 50 years old. He no longer has leghorns so i am stuck with them and the Brahmas I finally had a good year with and hope to share with those who want the old Bill Bowen line from Ohio. Bill had some of the best I ever saw.

 

So have any of you beginners ever saw a RED ROCK. There in the poultry press every month. I have a box of 22 shells and a pistol loaded if i see one I shoot it on sight. Look forward to your reply. I will try to find you some pictures of one so if you every see one you will get it off your propertye  if you are smart they are like Cancer in the breeding pen. Once you get it in your strain you are screwed for life.  Judges lilke them however.

 

Have a great day. I am going to the horse stable to get horse manure for my chickens. Here is another question what am I going to do with it and my  chickens?  

 

  New York Reds your chicks from your male are looking good. I am putting two eggs in a small incubator today.Will hatch from him for three more weeks. bob

Hey Bob I really don't know the answer to your first ques. I presume its an off type red that doesn't have the long back or brick shape like a "real" RIR should have? Second ques. I have a real good idea on the manure if its anything like what my bunch does to cow-pies sickbyc.gif when I turn them out to graze in the Bull pasture th.gif LOL makes for some awesome yellow/orange yolked eggs though. Hahaha

 

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You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, you can make a purse out of it, but it won't be silk. LOL
 
Maybe in about another 30-40 years I'll get this "being an expert" thing figured out by then. LOL
 
Still trying to practice Granny's advice 'if you don't have anything nice to say then keep it to yourself' LOL been at it for 45 years still don't have it down pat yet!
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You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, you can make a purse out of it, but it won't be silk. LOL
 
Maybe in about another 30-40 years I'll get this "being an expert" thing figured out by then. LOL
 
Still trying to practice Granny's advice 'if you don't have anything nice to say then keep it to yourself' LOL been at it for 45 years still don't have it down pat yet!
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Red Rocks are Reds with very short back, incorrect tail angle, and lacking in depth of the lower chest. They over all lack in brick shape.

The horse manure I would bet is going to get spread in the runs, the chickens will scratch and pick out the left over grain and bits of hay.

 

 

Chris


Edited by Chris09 - 5/30/12 at 7:07am

 

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Breeding Large Fowl Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds to APA Standard


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Red Rocks are Reds with very short back, incorrect tail angle, and lacking in depth of the lower chest. They over all lack in brick shape.

The horse manure I would bet is going to get spread in the runs, the chickens will scratch and pick out the left over grain and bits of hay.

 

 

Chris

I would agree with Chris on the horse manure but before I would personally do that with my chickens I would want to know what the horses are being fed. I have all the horse manure that I could ever want at my place but would not put that manure it in the pens for the birds to pick through.

 

Why?

 

 I feed my horses Strategy horse feed which is a pellet horse feed and it dissolves completely in their stomach. I do this so that I have less wasted feed. There may be a little grass in their manure but I would prefer and do from time to time put uneaten hay in with the birds for them to play, eat and scratch through. Years ago (like 20 years ago) I fed my horse’s crimped oats and Alfalfa hay. Back then there would have been something in the manure for the birds to eat. Also if the horses that are making the manure that you are getting are fed Sweet feed or whole oats…..I would say that’s a good idea because there would be something left in there for the birds.

 

Sooooo like I said, before I would go through the trouble, smell and having to put up with all the additional flies that the manure would attract, I would want to know what the horses are being fed.

 

Chris

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LL

200x200px-ZC-48bf5e65_redrock.jpeg

 

Excellent answers. A Red Rock is a Rhode Island Red Bantam that when seen in a photograph in Poultry Press looks Iike a black Plymouth Rock Bantam.  The people who have Rhode Island Red bantams about 90 percent of them have this type. They have breed the backs  off of these birds and got a touch of the Cochin gene showing up. I will ask this question if this is a defect what would the point cut be for this top line and would you take points off for cemetery which is a total of ten points. Maybe a judge or two would comment on this. You see these birds mostly females with this fault even win Champion Single Comb Clean Legged at the shows.

 

Next the horse manure comes from a expensive stable where the folks pay a bundle to have their horses there. I have used the manure on our rose bushes for over twenty five years and have used it in my eight by eight pens as little. The people there use good hay which they buy from the owner and their feed is top quality no junk.  Its a secret from the fighting cock guys and does it put a finish on the Reds feathers. Have had no problems with illness or anything so will keep on using it.

 

One cock er Charlie Carr who was from Alabaman and moved to Arkansas use to through five to ten horse turds into his round and square four by four ground runs which where on grass for the birds to get exercise and I guess eat some of what was in the horse biscuits.

 

That is not where I got the idea but I did make some runs on the ground for my males to be in. Big problem is coons and possums getting there hands through the wire and killing the birds. Today you almost have to have one inch or less wire in runs or on ground pens. A friend of mine even had a fox put his hands through chain link fence wire and kill his chickens. Then you got hawks and owls at night giving you problems.

 

The big picture I think is the first generation of birds he got from the trio I sent him .

 

The bottom picture is one in my files which is a rose comb female I think. Notice the lift in the back.

 

No place in my standard do we have a place for a elevated top line of say 30 degrees. It does with my white rock bantams but not my reds. There is the class on type for the day. Shut EM if you see them.

 

Well I am out of questions right now. Hope you all have a great day. bob


Edited by Robert Blosl - 5/30/12 at 10:14am
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Bob,

 

A lot of the old cockers up here would take that fresh Horse Manure and put it in there Barrels in the winter time. A little dried levies and horse manure in a 55 gallon barrel can take the chill off the coldest of night here in Ohio.

 

 

Chris 


Edited by Chris09 - 5/30/12 at 10:19am

 

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Breeding Large Fowl Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds to APA Standard


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George Washington

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NPIP # 31-516
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Breeding Large Fowl Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds to APA Standard


"I know of no pursuit in which more real and important services can be rendered to any country than by improving its agriculture, its breed of useful animals, and other branches of a husbandman's cares." – 

George Washington

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ZC

 

 Some of the early breeders of my old line where Great Horse (Paul) in Colorado Thunder Wagon in Colorado and I lost a family and their name in Kansas who got eggs from Thunder Wagon about two years ago. Does any one remember their name on this web site? He  posted some pictures of their older chicks and there was one female you may remember that looked like the original hen I started with. If you can locate their name and can send it to me or post it I would be very happy. Bob


Edited by Robert Blosl - 5/31/12 at 5:59am
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LL

200x200px-ZC-48bf5e65_redrock.jpeg

 

Excellent answers. A Red Rock is a Rhode Island Red Bantam that when seen in a photograph in Poultry Press looks Iike a black Plymouth Rock Bantam.  The people who have Rhode Island Red bantams about 90 percent of them have this type. They have breed the backs  off of these birds and got a touch of the Cochin gene showing up. I will ask this question if this is a defect what would the point cut be for this top line and would you take points off for cemetery which is a total of ten points. Maybe a judge or two would comment on this. You see these birds mostly females with this fault even win Champion Single Comb Clean Legged at the shows.

 

 

 

Well I am out of questions right now. Hope you all have a great day. bob

No point cut at all. I don't have my standard in front of me to look up the exact wording but lack of breed character is a DQ. In my opinion if you have to look at the coop tag to tell the breed the bird is not worthy of placing.  Tom

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No point cut at all. I don't have my standard in front of me to look up the exact wording but lack of breed character is a DQ. In my opinion if you have to look at the coop tag to tell the breed the bird is not worthy of placing.  Tom


I agree here with TomNY too, I'd say the magic word in your post Bob is "fault" right? no points reduction its a DQ fault or should be IMHO

 

Jeff

You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, you can make a purse out of it, but it won't be silk. LOL
 
Maybe in about another 30-40 years I'll get this "being an expert" thing figured out by then. LOL
 
Still trying to practice Granny's advice 'if you don't have anything nice to say then keep it to yourself' LOL been at it for 45 years still don't have it down pat yet!
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You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, you can make a purse out of it, but it won't be silk. LOL
 
Maybe in about another 30-40 years I'll get this "being an expert" thing figured out by then. LOL
 
Still trying to practice Granny's advice 'if you don't have anything nice to say then keep it to yourself' LOL been at it for 45 years still don't have it down pat yet!
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