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Thanks Jim, I've tried that number with no answer....  I wonder if they still do that Gilmanor Swap?

 

Yes - they absolutely do and it's a blast! The spring swap is on May 4th. I come up for it from southern VA (carpool with a friend and her chickens) - it is always worth it! Only trouble is trying to leave with less birds than I brought... I sell out and then find birds there that I just can't leave without - LOL!

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post #2922 of 8567
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Rhode Island Red Large Fowl Ckl. Who was Grand Champion of the Large Fowl show at Lake City Fla got out of the breeding pen Friday and headed to Newnan Gerogia. He got cleaned up nice, won best Rhode Island Red with some great birds from all over and then Champion American. The last time I saw him he was on Champion Row waiting to see if he was Champion Large Fowl of the show. He was next to a nice Light Brahma hen rumors where told me that he won the big bird class. Matt 1616 told me when I left hat he did not know what won yet. Heck they had the raffles and thanking every buddy for coming go figure. Five people told me he won. Its not official but I think he did to. I took pictures of him but more than anything I took pictures of him from above. He had the nicest width of back I have seen on a large fowl Male bird  in years. I figured it is not seven inches of width but about eight inches is the correct width  and about seven inches in total length from his neck to his rise in his tail. So many judges where raving about the class of Reds we had there. More pictures after I take a nap. bob


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I was reading an old book by George Scott from the turn of the last century.  In it, the author mentioned "black speckles" on the wings of pullets.  Mr Scott suggests that such a pullet be bred to a clear colored cock.  Question for Bob or anyone one else wishing to venture an opinion.

 

While the black speckling on the wing is surely a fault, Scott seemed to suggest that one can actually make use of this and make a positive thing out of it, moving forward.  Thoughts?

 

 

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post #2924 of 8567

just curious, but are there any good heritage RIR in Indiana?

Currently I have a laying flock of Red Stars, RIR, Black Stars, and Black Orpington young hens valued at $20 each.    Any chicken in my laying flock is for sale.
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Currently I have a laying flock of Red Stars, RIR, Black Stars, and Black Orpington young hens valued at $20 each.    Any chicken in my laying flock is for sale.
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post #2925 of 8567

Matt's cockerel did win champion largefowl.He is a really nice bird. There was a very nice class of Reds shown.

Mohawk/Reece standard RIR's,Roberts line standard RIR's, German and American standard New Hampshires.  Chicks,young birds and maybe a few eggs for sale.

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Mohawk/Reece standard RIR's,Roberts line standard RIR's, German and American standard New Hampshires.  Chicks,young birds and maybe a few eggs for sale.

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post #2926 of 8567
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I was reading an old book by George Scott from the turn of the last century.  In it, the author mentioned "black speckles" on the wings of pullets.  Mr Scott suggests that such a pullet be bred to a clear colored cock.  Question for Bob or anyone one else wishing to venture an opinion.

 

While the black speckling on the wing is surely a fault, Scott seemed to suggest that one can actually make use of this and make a positive thing out of it, moving forward.  Thoughts?

Yes you guys that know how to breed for color and move it around, please elaborate, I would like to or might need to know this for future references.

 

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You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, you can make a purse out of it, but it won't be silk. LOL
 
Maybe in about another 30-40 years I'll get this "being an expert" thing figured out by then. LOL
 
Still trying to practice Granny's advice 'if you don't have anything nice to say then keep it to yourself' LOL been at it for 45 years still don't have it down pat yet!
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I'm wondering how you get involved in showing birds. I've done the usual google searches and checked with the Local AG website but have not been able to find a single thing about poultry shows. I wonder if in my area it's local fairs and festivals that have the shows.

 

I'm also wondering about bio-security when taking your birds to show. How do you make sure you don't leave with a healthy bird and bring home a sick one.
 

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post #2928 of 8567

I cannot "cut and paste" from the Cornell library online reader, but here's the link.

http://archive.org/stream/cu31924003091323

 

In a nutshell, George Scott talks about matings and discusses how black smut in the pullet and black peppering in the wings can be a good thing.  He talks about mating to a clear male and this mating has potential form moving a strain forward.

 

When the mating is reversed and the male has the smut or black peppering, Mr Scott found less advantage to this mating.

 

 

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post #2929 of 8567
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I cannot "cut and paste" from the Cornell library online reader, but here's the link.

http://archive.org/stream/cu31924003091323

 

In a nutshell, George Scott talks about matings and discusses how black smut in the pullet and black peppering in the wings can be a good thing.  He talks about mating to a clear male and this mating has potential form moving a strain forward.

 

When the mating is reversed and the male has the smut or black peppering, Mr Scott found less advantage to this mating.

Here his talks a little about using smut.

 

2. A Mating Designed to Improve the Color of Cockerels in a Strain where they are inclined to be too Light a Shade of Red.
Select the best, most even and soundest of these inferior cockerels, paying particular attention to the soundness of his under color. With him mate hens or pullets, dark even red, with smut in otherwise red under color, dark red hackles (preferably showing a little smut at base of hackle) that are darker even than the rest of the plumage, and good black tails.


3. A Mating Designed to Improve Cockerels in a Strain where they come with Black in Hackle.
Select females with no black whatever in hackle, little or no wing markings, but sound even red top color free from peppering, and under color free from smut. If possible get females as described bred from a clear hackled cockerel.

4. A Mating Designed to Improve a Strain where the Pullets, although Even, are too Light in Color.
Select the soundest and most even of such pullets, and with them mate a cockerel from a good pullet strain, absolutely even in color; dark, rich and brilliant, with clear hackle, good tail, deep red breast, and showing a black bar on wing bows and black peppering on breast.


Information from,
GEORGE SCOTT, F.Z.S.
Hon. Secretary of and Club Judge of the British Rhode Island Red Club.

 

Chris

 

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NPIP # 31-516
Society for the Preservation of Poultry Antiquities http://sppa.webs.com/

Breeding Large Fowl Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds to APA Standard


"I know of no pursuit in which more real and important services can be rendered to any country than by improving its agriculture, its breed of useful animals, and other branches of a husbandman's cares." – 

George Washington

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Here is what Kaufmann & Windheim thought about smut back in 1911.

 

Under Color

Last of all but most important, under color. It must be red as the day of smut has passed. Many breeders think smut helps to get the rich surface color but they are sadly mistaken. Smut will help you to get a dirty dark surface color, but not the clean rich shade that we are after. A smutty feather here and there will not do very much harm but if a bird shows smut so strong that you cannot look at the under color without seeing it, discard such a bird at once. Mr. Breeder, smut will not help but it will do harm, so cut the bird heavily that has it, no matter how good he may be otherwise. It is worse in a male than in the female. White of course is out of the question, as a bird that shows white, no matter how perfect he may be otherwise is simply a cull. This we think most every breeder knows. Through all this color madness, however, do not let your birds run down small but keep up the size because color and size make the Rhode Island Red and no matter if you should have all the other qualifications combined you would have nothing if these two are left out. We have followed the above laws as closely as possible over sixteen long years and the record that our birds have made in the show room is well known to every Rhode Island Red breeder in the country.

 

Chris

 

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Breeding Large Fowl Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds to APA Standard


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NPIP # 31-516
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Breeding Large Fowl Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds to APA Standard


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George Washington

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