Silkies Of A Different Color - Page 69

Re: Silkies Of A Different ColorSo let me ask a salient question.  If "gray" truly is silver based partridge, it would have to have the pattern gene, would it not.  This would mean that "gray" by the American SOP could not be a silver partridge, but a different genetic pattern altogether. 

One reason I declined trying to raise "gray" is that the American SOP describes the "solid chinchilla gray" and this is impossible to achieve with a silver partridge....and it SHOULD be impossible to achieve since partridge has the pattern gene.

Hi Judy grays are not suppose to be pencilled. SOP calls for chinchilla and lighter gray.
Oddly enough. I went through the standard in general on the pics and then to descrips and found that silver birchen seems to be a rather close match in description on gray. Could be wrong ,its just what I came up with swap out the colors and leave color sections on the birds.

I agree with this. I think even if you were to cross breeds say ( dark brahma or silvered pencil wyandottes) to get the male coloring somewhat correct the females would be wrong and you would need two different lines one male one female.
I would love to see pics from an old breeder on correct coloring so we at least know what we are looking for.

This is my Roo that popped out of my partridge line. As I read the SOP he is incorrect missing his silver wing triangle.He doesn't have red yet but as he matures I am sure he will.


I also have 2 more that have popped out of the same line waiting to see them fully feather in to see how they turn out.

I think the  silver birchen is still missing that wing triangle

Yes, I know that the SOP calls for a "chinchilla gray", not mentioning any pencilling.  However, a silver partridge, by nature and genetics is going to have silver pencilling.  This says to me that the original "gray" on which the SOP was developed were NOT silver partridge.  In that case, silver partridge should be shown a partridge and not as a gray.  They are just silver based rather than gold based. 

Except for Donna McCormick's gorgeous grays, I've not seen any true "grays" at any shows.  Every bird I have seen has some degree of pencilling.

original "gray" on which the SOP was developed were NOT silver partridge.  In that case, silver partridge should be shown a partridge and not as a gray.  They are just silver based rather than gold based.

I completey agree
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oh and yeah no duckwing:)

Birchen-based birds do not have a wing triangle; this is called crowwing.  Wheaten, wild-type and Asiatic-partridge based birds express a wing triangle; this is called duckwing.  Extended black based birds are largely self-coloured, although there may be some leakage in the hackles; thus they are neither crowwing nor duckwing.

Asiatic partridge = "eb/eb" can be on gold or Silver. But when we talk about the "gray" they are based on Silver.
"eb" is one of the mutations on the E-locus of which the original is "e+".
A "gray" Asiatic partridge not neccesarely need to have the pattern gene => (eb/eb S/S*S/- pg+/pg+) => no pencelling.
When a "gray" Asiatic partridge have the pattern gene she (only the females) show the pencelling => (eb/eb S/S*S/- Pg/Pg or Pg/pg+) => Pg/pg+ = uncomplete pencelling.

I have three pullets right now that look like the "Frost" birds.  I also have several that look like the "Silver Quail" and have had quite a few more.  None developed the autosomal red.  They are all out of my self blues.

I just posted a ton of questions on the grey silkie thread......waiting for someone who knows more than I do about grey Silkies to help me out......    My biggest concern is:   If Grey silkies are not a duckwing pattern...then why do the males show a white triangle (exposed area of secondary wing feathers)?   Shoudn't it be grey like the SOP says?    And the standard calls for grey tails....and all I see are black.....and some show alot of white/silver in the necks and breasts.........I have my first pair of greys....female is nice color (SOP color)....but the male has the white triangle, black sickles and silver in his neck....   I don't want to breed them if they're not even close to the SOP......   Sorry that I don't have any photos as yet....I also have BBS, and Buffs....plus my Pyncheons.    Thanks,   Rusty