Columbian silkies? - Page 11

If you are looking for  columbian silkie eggs to hatch go to ebay. I just hatched 3 beautiful chicks...one is  white in color the other two are  striking black  white patterned.

I know this is an old post but I have a question about breeding this color. I have what I have been told is a colombian cockerel. I have 2 buff colored pullets with the black in their wings and tail, will breeding this together produce the colombian color I am wanting?  Here are pictures of my cockerel, Animal and my pullet, Goose.

Any help or advise would be greatly appreciated.

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Originally Posted by Momma 2 silkies 

I know this is an old post but I have a question about breeding this color. I have what I have been told is a colombian cockerel. I have 2 buff colored pullets with the black in their wings and tail, will breeding this together produce the colombian color I am wanting?  Here are pictures of my cockerel, Animal and my pullet, Goose.

 

Any help or advise would be greatly appreciated.

 I don't know what happens if you breed them together but your pullet on the left looks like a partridge, not a buff.

I the partridge is a cockerel. I have 2 buff girls but this was a better shot to show the black in the wings and tail. I was just reading the thread where it said a (bad) buff, with black in the wings and tail to a colombian might produce more colombians. I was wondering if anyone has tried this and what the out come was?

Here are both buff girls a buff boy and 2 partridge boys and my colombian boy. Since this picture, I have re homed the buff male and one of the partridge boys will be leaving soon and I have picked up a blue girl. My babies are young and I am just wondering what I might get but I guess the fun part is waiting for the first chicks to be born and going from there.

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Originally Posted by Momma 2 silkies 

I the partridge is a cockerel. I have 2 buff girls but this was a better shot to show the black in the wings and tail. I was just reading the thread where it said a (bad) buff, with black in the wings and tail to a colombian might produce more colombians. I was wondering if anyone has tried this and what the out come was?

Here are both buff girls a buff boy and 2 partridge boys and my colombian boy. Since this picture, I have re homed the buff male and one of the partridge boys will be leaving soon and I have picked up a blue girl. My babies are young and I am just wondering what I might get but I guess the fun part is waiting for the first chicks to be born and going from there.

I have to say that I don't know enough about the genetics to be able to answer your question. I do remember reading about the buffs with black on their wings. You may also try the Silkie thread if you haven't already: http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/297632/silkie-thread/23920#post_9551598

Lots of people there that know a ton about the genetics!

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Originally Posted by Momma 2 silkies 

I the partridge is a cockerel. I have 2 buff girls but this was a better shot to show the black in the wings and tail. I was just reading the thread where it said a (bad) buff, with black in the wings and tail to a colombian might produce more colombians. I was wondering if anyone has tried this and what the out come was?

Here are both buff girls a buff boy and 2 partridge boys and my colombian boy. Since this picture, I have re homed the buff male and one of the partridge boys will be leaving soon and I have picked up a blue girl. My babies are young and I am just wondering what I might get but I guess the fun part is waiting for the first chicks to be born and going from there.

Buff silkies are based on gold(recessive sex linked) and should always be completely devoided of any black color on their wings and tails, any black on their hackle(like columbian) is not even possible. genetic code for buff silkies should be eWh/eWh(wheaten) s+/-(hemizygous gold for your hens) Db(dark brown columbian like restrictor) Co(Columbia restrictor) Mh(red enhancer mahogany, may also be a minor columbian restrictor, but on some bird it may not act like one) Di(Dominant Dilute and minor columbian like restrictor) so a genotype for a self buff bird is quite complicated and needs all of these genes to make a pure colored bird, now back yard birds or pet class buffs may have some black on tails and on fly feathers of the wing but they will never have any hackle markings, can this be used to create more columbian like silkies? I´m not sure, you may end up with a black tailed white bird instead of columbian birds...

the genetics for a columbian silkies is less complex,  they are based on eb/eb(partridge brown) Co/Co(Columbian restrictor) and dominant sex linked silver(S/S) for your columbian boy...

now what happes if you mate them together? you will end up with columbian restricted silver hens(thanks to dad) and columbian restricted golden rooster(one copy of dad´s sex linked S and one copy of mother´s sex linked s+ S/s+ golden)..

again I have yet to see even a pet class buff silkies with hackle markings... so you may end up with black tailed white birds instead of columbian silkies...

how would they look? here is a sample of a black tailed white bird(think of New Hampshire but based on silver instead of gold)

I only have buff and bule girls. I didn't even know what my boy was until someone else that breeds they told me.  I have a colombian and a partridge roo, so if I end up with more so be it, if not that is fine to. I am new to chickens and have a long way to go before my chicks are old enough anyways, they are only 13 weeks old. I was just trying to get information for myself. I have been looking for black silkies to add to my flock to but I'm having a hard time finding them..Thanks for the information on how to get them. Just trying how to figure out were the lady I got mine from had them. She doesn't have colombians, just 2 splash and a calico roo and her hens were black, white, and buff.

nicalandia you are correct but u forgot that columbians have the leavender gene aswell which covers up buff and yes ur first generations of columbian are probley going to have very little black hackles as u male there has black in the hackles so that will pass on. columbian is a project colour i have been working on  and started with lavender x buff and know have somewhat of a good colour but still a long way off u can check them out at my website 

as u will see my pullet dosent have as much black u cant even see it in the pics 

http://sagersilkies.webs.com/columbiansilkies.htm

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Originally Posted by sager:)silkies 

nicalandia you are correct but u forgot that columbians have the leavender gene aswell which covers up buff and yes ur first generations of columbian are probley going to have very little black hackles as u male there has black in the hackles so that will pass on. columbian is a project colour i have been working on  and started with lavender x buff and know have somewhat of a good colour but still a long way off u can check them out at my website 

as u will see my pullet dosent have as much black u cant even see it in the pics 

 

http://sagersilkies.webs.com/columbiansilkies.htm

I guess in silkie world a black tailed white bird is a Columbian silkie? when I first heard Columbian Silkies I thought of a Columbian wyandotte(a black tailed white bird with lots of black not only on the hackles but also on the saddle) that´s what I call Columbian pattern, and when he asked if he was going to be getting more columbian silkies by crossing to buff, I thought, not possible at all even if one uses a Pet Quality buff silkies, even they are more restricted than what it needs to have a true columbain pattern(hackle and saddle) link to a pet quality buff silkie http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/434266/free-buff-silkie-cockerel

I´ve check the link you have provided and I just dont see lavender in them, but that´s because lavender is recessive and you wont see it on heterozygous form, your birds may be golden(S/s+ for the boys) and silver for the girls(S/-) remember that buff has lots of red diluters(Dominant Dilute, Db and Co can act as a diluter too) and when heterozygous for sex linked Silver(dominant over sex linked gold s+) you could end up with silver looking boys too...

there is a project calle the Champagne Brahma project going on(not mine), its buff columbian(columbian based on gold like buff columbian wyandotte) and the lavender gene add it, it looks amazing...

check this pic out, and check your columbian birds out, they just dont look a like

just to be sure and let everybody know, is the goal of the Columbian Silkie breeding project to have a black taile white bird OR to eventually breed the saddle and hackle black markings? will lavender have the same name? or like the coronation sussex which is columbian and lavender?

coronation sussex

https://www.google.com.ni/search?q=coronation+sussex&hl=es-419&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=ihU8UMaPKZOo8QTUsYGQDg&sqi=2&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=677

on what E locus is these project going to be based? eWh(wheaten) lacking saddle markings but keeping the hackle markings? or eb(partridge brown) having both saddle and hackle markings? 

here is the difference..(wyandotte based on brown and sussex based on wheaten)

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Originally Posted by nicalandia 

I guess in silkie world a black tailed white bird is a Colombian silkie? when I first heard Colombian Silkies I thought of a Colombian wyandotte(a black tailed white bird with lots of black not only on the hackles but also on the saddle) that´s what I call Colombian pattern, and when he asked if he was going to be getting more Colombian silkies by crossing to buff, I thought, not possible at all even if one uses a Pet Quality buff silkies, even they are more restricted than what it needs to have a true Columbine pattern(hackle and saddle) link to a pet quality buff silkie http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/434266/free-buff-silkie-cockerel

 

I´ve check the link you have provided and I just dont see lavender in them, but that´s because lavender is recessive and you wont see it on heterozygous form, your birds may be golden(S/s+ for the boys) and silver for the girls(S/-) remember that buff has lots of red diluters(Dominant Dilute, Db and Co can act as a diluter too) and when heterozygous for sex linked Silver(dominant over sex linked gold s+) you could end up with silver looking boys too...

 

there is a project calle the Champagne Brahma project going on(not mine), its buff columbian(columbian based on gold like buff columbian wyandotte) and the lavender gene add it, it looks amazing...

 

check this pic out, and check your columbian birds out, they just dont look a like

yes ur right my columbians dont look like this as im still working on them and im using the columbian wyandotte colour as my refrence and ur right in columbians u cant notice lavender i thought the same thing when i started with them they just look white