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post #31 of 136

Not complementary?  You look very nice, and your daughter looks like an excellent young rider.  Excellent leg and back (isn't using her hands, but I'd expect that to be just as good as the seat). 

If she wants the Andalusian and likes the breed that much, why are you trying to talk her out of it?  Because she could get something cheaper?  Maybe that's not the most important thing to her!  Maybe she likes Andalusians! 

The Paint is clearly a very nice horse, but limited for dressage - front end conformation is horizontal, rear end conformation is hocks-out-behind and stifle behind where it should be, not built for carrying, horse has a major downhill conformation - not because of form of her topline(which is not strong), but because of an even more important issue - proportions and balance.  The front and back halves of her look like they belong to two different horses, and the hind legs are longer than the front legs.  Horse might be WILLING to do dressage work but it might not be real fair to ask that horse to do anything more than go around like a hunter in dressage tack in small local classes.

You may have decided 'that lady is never going to do any more than first level', she may see it differently.  Or she may feel, and rightly so, that even at first level, she wants a horse that's more balanced.  First level is nothing really to sneeze at - it has leg yields, serpentines at canter, 10 m circles at canter, transitions - an unbalanced horse is handicapped even at first level.  Plus the first level classes often are VERY big, even at small shows, and the horse that's more balanced is going to do better. 

Struggling with an unsuitable horse and trying to push it to do something that's physically causing it to fight its own body every step of the way, against the poor animal's (legitimate) resistance - it ain't fun - ask me how I found that one out.

There are a lot of 'junk' Andalusians around, but of the good ones, they are more than anything, 'balance horses' - they have an awful lot of natural balance, and that is a huge pleasure to ride on.  Generally, the back half looks like the front half, and the front legs and the hind legs are the same length.

Of course, she may want an Andalusian for all the worst reasons in the world - 1.) she thinks if she gets one, she won't have to work at dressage and will just magically shoot to Grand Prix*, or 2.) thinks 'they're pretty'.  But fact is, there's not really anything anyone can do about it unless they're paying her bills.

* There are 'horse junkies' - they keep getting horse after horse, all of them unsuitable for what they want to do, thinking if they get 'the right horse', it will do the work, without them figuring out how to sit in the dressage saddle or how to apply the aids and get a result.  They buy horses instead of lessons, and they are always blaming the horse.  If you start to rail against someone turning into a 'horse junkie', you're beating your head against a brick wall - these people never, ever, ever change.  All you can do is concentrate on your own riding.


Edited by welsummerchicks - 11/9/10 at 7:08am
post #32 of 136
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Originally Posted by welsummerchicks 

After a while, you will learn, and get so you don't get involved in these sort of situations any more, and then you will feel better.

As Doctor Phil would say, 'So...how's that workin' for ya'?  You gonna hang around some more, and have more of the same things happen, and have more of the same feelings?

This is the first website where I've seen these sorts of complaints, that they wanted to buy a horse(or other stock) from someone I did a favor for, but the horse sold to someone else (often at auction) for less money. 

I'm going to just take a swag and say the situation looks very different to the seller.  I even would say, in the same situation, MOST sellers aren't going to like all this, 'I'll buy it when' or 'I like that one but I want to....'.

'I'll buy that horse for X if he doesn't sell at the auction' sounds a lot more like, 'I'm hanging around to get a favor and a cheap horse - I talk about wanting to buy something all the time, but I always have an excuse why I have to wait.  And....after you come home from the auction and are desperate and miserable, because you didn't make your target prices, or your minimums and have a bunch that didn't even sell I'm going to start dickering and dealing and have you right where I want you, and you'll have to give me what I want because I'm your 'Friend' and I do stuff here'. 

If you want to buy an animal, what you need to do is buy it NOW, when it is for sale, at the farm.  Not when the sun trines Jupiter, after the auction, after the High Holy Days or Wal Pershnock, on a Thursday when the stars align.  Just BUY IT.  Say, 'I'll give you X for Daisy TODAY, RIGHT NOW'.  And the owner may say, 'No, I want Y' and you come back and say, 'how about X plus Z', and the owner says 'Done'.  You pay cash for the animal, and take it to your house, and put it in your barn. 

It works out a whole lot better that way.

I'd also say, it is really, really, really, not a good idea to 'hang around' and 'do favors' and 'help out', and then think to yourself, 'well now I'm going to say what I want and I should get it'.

People lose respect for people that do that - very, very quickly. 

When you are ready to buy, show up with your money, deal, and buy the animal.  Otherwise, stay home.

Nothing else really works quite as well.


great advise..and on the same line,no auction is EVER going to turn down your bid because of lack of bidding number,,they will give you one if you get the winning bid.

post #33 of 136
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Originally Posted by welsummerchicks 

Not complementary?  You look very nice, and your daughter looks like an excellent young rider.  Excellent leg and back (isn't using her hands, but I'd expect that to be just as good as the seat). 

If she wants the Andalusian and likes the breed that much, why are you trying to talk her out of it?  Because she could get something cheaper?  Maybe that's not the most important thing to her!  Maybe she likes Andalusians! 

The Paint is clearly a very nice horse, but limited for dressage - front end conformation is horizontal, rear end conformation is hocks-out-behind and stifle behind where it should be, not built for carrying, horse has a major downhill conformation - not because of form of her topline(which is not strong), but because of an even more important issue - proportions and balance.  The front and back halves of her look like they belong to two different horses, and the hind legs are longer than the front legs.  Horse might be WILLING to do dressage work but it might not be real fair to ask that horse to do anything more than go around like a hunter in dressage tack in small local classes.

You may have decided 'that lady is never going to do any more than first level', she may see it differently.  Or she may feel, and rightly so, that even at first level, she wants a horse that's more balanced.  First level is nothing really to sneeze at - it has leg yields, serpentines at canter, 10 m circles at canter, transitions - an unbalanced horse is handicapped even at first level.  Plus the first level classes often are VERY big, even at small shows, and the horse that's more balanced is going to do better. 

Struggling with an unsuitable horse and trying to push it to do something that's physically causing it to fight its own body every step of the way, against the poor animal's (legitimate) resistance - it ain't fun - ask me how I found that one out.

There are a lot of 'junk' Andalusians around, but of the good ones, they are more than anything, 'balance horses' - they have an awful lot of natural balance, and that is a huge pleasure to ride on.  Generally, the back half looks like the front half, and the front legs and the hind legs are the same length.

Of course, she may want an Andalusian for all the worst reasons in the world - 1.) she thinks if she gets one, she won't have to work at dressage and will just magically shoot to Grand Prix*, or 2.) thinks 'they're pretty'.  But fact is, there's not really anything anyone can do about it unless they're paying her bills.

* There are 'horse junkies' - they keep getting horse after horse, all of them unsuitable for what they want to do, thinking if they get 'the right horse', it will do the work, without them figuring out how to sit in the dressage saddle or how to apply the aids and get a result.  They buy horses instead of lessons, and they are always blaming the horse.  If you start to rail against someone turning into a 'horse junkie', you're beating your head against a brick wall - these people never, ever, ever change.  All you can do is concentrate on your own riding.


I'm not trying to talk her out of it. Mainly because I know she'd let me ride it at least once smile  She has been very adamant that she just does dressage for fun and doesn't really care if she progresses. It took a concerted effort of several of us almost literally pushing her into the ring to get her to do Training Level Test 4. She's not the Type A personality that I am.  My issue with dressage was that I wasn't slowing down and I wanted to get ahead too fast. If she does get beyond First Level with an Andalusian she hasn't even bought yet, it'll be at least 4 years before that happens.

Yes, WC, I have noticed the mare's conformation faults. Friend does attend many dressage clinics and takes dressage lessons to improve both herself and the horse. The mare has made some dramatic improvements in the last few years. She really has impulsion now, good submission and her stride has lengthened naturally. They've been scoring pretty consistently 7 & 8's in Training Level tests 3 & 4 and 5 & 6 in First Level Test 1. They even got a 9 on their halt once!

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post #34 of 136

I would let her go and get herself an Andalusian. Nothing wrong with having one if your heart is set on gettting it. It is like you have a favorite brand of candy or brand of car or truck.

President of the Welsummer Club of North America & BYC Member since 4/11/2002 and Appenzeller Spitzhaubens

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post #35 of 136

Started treating my horse for anaplasmosis(sp?)....again,  anybody have any herbal/vitamin recommendations?  Darn ticks!

post #36 of 136

I would consult a vet.

post #37 of 136
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Originally Posted by vmdanielsen 

Started treating my horse for anaplasmosis(sp?)....again,  anybody have any herbal/vitamin recommendations?  Darn ticks!


Is that the piroplasmosis or is this something else?

What WC said, consult a vet

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post #38 of 136
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Originally Posted by EweSheep 

I would let her go and get herself an Andalusian. Nothing wrong with having one if your heart is set on gettting it. It is like you have a favorite brand of candy or brand of car or truck.


I know. And I'll admit I'm a bit envious of her financial situation. *sigh*

She's still "browsing" and has realized that she may have to go out of state to find her new horse.

ROAD TRIP!!!

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post #39 of 136

Anaplasmosis is a disease found mostly in the southern US.  It is a bacterial disease; the bacteria are usually passed by ticks.  It is also called Ehrlichiosis.

Piroplasmosis is a different and separate disease of horses, is also passed by ticks, but the ticks carry a parasite.  I don't think it is common in the US - it's in S. America, Spain, other parts.  I think the US is trying very hard to keep it out.

For anaplasmosis horses are treated with doxycycline, often the vaccine is given (once) with the antibiotics.  Antibiotics are given daily, usually for a month.    If I had to treat it 'again' I would be working very hard with a very good vet.


Edited by welsummerchicks - 11/9/10 at 5:53pm
post #40 of 136
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Piroplasmosis has been detected in WI and MN. All horses coming into Michigan require a piroplasmosis test.

For endurance, especially with the U.P. rides, we get a fair number of WI riders coming in to compete

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