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I just gave all my chickens two ounces of Wazine 17 from Tractor Supply (TSC) in two gallons of water for ONE DAY .  I'll dump that water tomorrow after 24 hours. Won't be getting any eggs for two weeks anyway because they're molting, days are shorter.  In a couple of weeks I'll give 'em more light to make 14 hours per day.  Meanwhile, I'm getting rid of all their roundworms.  What better time.  Heck, in ten days I might just as well give them the Valbazen (see below) and wait two more weeks before extending their daylight time; then my WORMING WILL BE COMPLETELY FINISHED for at least a year.  Probably wouldn't have gotten but a few eggs anyway, so no big loss.

THE FOLLOWING IS AN MS-WORD DOCUMENT WITH INFORMATION MAINLY FROM dawg53:
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WORMING CHICKENS

Joebryant  BYC
I haven't seen any worms, but I want to treat my chickens for them anyway because I don't really know what to look for.

What is the easiest way to do it to be sure that I get rid of the most common types of worms?  Is there a product that I can just add to their water for a couple of days?
Dawg53 on BYC
Are your chickens acting lethargic....not eating or drinking,not laying? These are common signs of possible worms. If your chickens are over 1 year old, never been wormed and free range...I agree they should be wormed. First worming, I would start with wazine17. Just follow the directions on the label. Toss eggs in the garbage for 2 weeks. Then in 10 days, reworm with a different wormer.
joebryant
BIG THANKS, dawg53, that's exactly what I was looking for.  It can't get much simpler than what the directions say that I found when Googling:
ETA    You said, "...Then in 10 days, reworm with a different wormer."  What do you recommend that I should use after ten days?

                                                       http://www.drugs.com/vet/wazine-17.html
"For
best results, remove water in the evening (except during hot weather). Then, early the next morning, begin water medicated with Wazine-17. Provide medicated water only, distributed in waterers sufficient in number so that all birds or animals have access to water. The medicated water should be consumed in 1 day or less. Worming every 30 days is necessary to break the large roundworm life cycle.

TURKEYS - Under 12 weeks of age: for each 100 birds, use 2 fluid ounces (60 ml) of Wazine-17 in 2 U.S. gallons (7.6 liters) of drinking water.

Over 12 weeks of age: for each 100 birds, use 4 fluid ounces (120 ml) of Wazine-17 in 4 U.S. gallons (15 liters) of drinking water.

Worm turkeys at 4-6 weeks of age and thereafter at 30 days, or as needed.

CHICKENS - 4 to 6 weeks of age: for each 100 birds, use 1 fluid ounce (30 ml) of Wazine-17 in 1 U.S. gallon (3.8 liters) of drinking water.

Over 6 weeks of age: for each 100 birds, use 2 fluid ounces (60 ml) of Wazine-17 in 2 U.S. gallons (7.6 liters) of drinking water.

Treat broilers at 4 weeks of age and thereafter at 30 days, or as needed. Treat replacement pullets at 8, 12, and 16 weeks of age."


Dawg53
On the 10th day after using wazine. I recommend a second type of wormer
...you have the choice of the following: Ivermectin, Safeguard or Valbazen. All are off label wormers for horses,cattle or sheep, but can be given to chickens in smaller quantity, it's a matter of giving the correct dosage. I prefer Valbazen...it'll kill just about every kind of worm there is, including tapeworms. The other wormers are excellent wormers too, but wont kill tapeworms. You can read up on these wormers and choose which one you want to use and I'll give you the dosage for chickens.
Joebryant BYC
I'll use Valbazen since that's your preference.  I have a dozen bbs Orpintons and six silkies.  What dosage would they need, and does TSC sell it?   THANKS AGAIN

ETA  If Valbazen will also kill tapeworm, is it necessary to use the Wazine first?

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Originally Posted by dawg53 

Hi Joe. Since you're worming for the 1st time, use the wazine first. The wazine gets rid of large roundworms only. If you used a different wormer like valbazen first, it would kill all types of worms and the buildup could cause a blockage of dead worms and become toxic and kill your chickens. Roundworms are the most common worm in chickens and once they are expelled by the wazine, it'll leave room for other types of worms including roundworm larva to be expelled with no toxicity. When using the wazine dont forget to toss the eggs in the garbage. Wormers are poisons and you dont want to eat the eggs nor give the eggs back to your chickens, you would be extending the withdrawal period if you did. The same is true for valbazen and the other wormers I told you about. So, you are looking at another 2 weeks of tossing eggs in the garbage after using valbazen. I recommend writing it on a calender which day you wormed then count out the days to when the eggs will be safe to eat....that's what I do,easier for me to keep track lol. Valbazen can be ordered online or you can call them at jeffers livestock. You can see their website online,it's a cattle and sheep wormer and comes in  500ml liquid in a bottle. I think it's about $35 a bottle. I dont know if TSC carries it. Ten days after the wazine, give the valbazen orally. Dosage is one half cc/ml for standard size chickens, one quarter cc/ml for smaller chickens including silkies. You can use a syringe to squirt it down their throats individually or you can inject it into a small piece of bread and give each chicken a piece of bread....they gobble it up. I recommend that after a couple of days of using both wormers....give your chickens plain yogurt or buttermilk(probiotics), canned beef catfood (extra protein), all mixed in their feed and give it to them to build up their immune systems, do this about 3 days in a row. Then you'll have healthy, happy chickens lol. The next time you worm,say in about 6 months or whenever you see fit...you can use the valbazen first, no need to use the wazine unless you want to. Please PM anytime and I'll be happy to help you with worming. Jim.



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ETA:
Here's a photo of a ONE ML/CC  ORAL syringe; they come in various sizes.  Your pharmacist will give you one or sell you one or more; they're very cheap.  Mine sold me 20 one ml/cc like this one for $2.00 or ten cents each.  Another pharmacist gave me a 3 ml/cc one.
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/9574_oral_syringe.jpg


Edited by joebryant - 11/21/10 at 8:58am
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post #2 of 149

I worm once a year with valbazen about this time every year; when my chickens are molting anyways.  Since I have a schedule of once a year worming and I started when my chickens were about 9 months old (too young to have a very heavy infestation IMO) I have never bothered with the wazine.  The valbazen takes care of just about everything.

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I'll never develop a thick skin.  Thick skin leads to a hard heart and I never want to be one of those people. 

A slave to LF brahmas, seramas, runner ducks, call ducks, two geese that are my feathered children, and a crossbeak silkie X named Dragon. 

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If there ever comes a day when we can't be together keep me in your heart, I'll stay there forever - Winnie the Pooh
I'll never develop a thick skin.  Thick skin leads to a hard heart and I never want to be one of those people. 

A slave to LF brahmas, seramas, runner ducks, call ducks, two geese that are my feathered children, and a crossbeak silkie X named Dragon. 

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post #3 of 149
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Originally Posted by gritsar 

I worm once a year with valbazen about this time every year; when my chickens are molting anyways.  Since I have a schedule of once a year worming and I started when my chickens were about 9 months old (too young to have a very heavy infestation IMO) I have never bothered with the wazine.  The valbazen takes care of just about everything.


Yeah, Dawg53, Jim, said that we only have to treat with the Wazine 17 ONE TIME to get rid of all the varieties of Round Worms.  After that Valbazen will SAFELY get rid of any future roundworms AND all the other kinds of worms.  It's IMPORTANT to use Wazine 17 ONCE first though because you don't want to first time use Valbazen and overload their system the first time with all the roundworms and  an over-abundance of all sorts of other dead worms; that could kill your chickens.


Edited by joebryant - 11/15/10 at 3:13pm
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post #4 of 149

One thing to consider is that worming while chickens are in molt can cause alot of stress on their systems. I recommend that after they are wormed, provide them with plain yogurt or buttermilk (probiotics) mixed with scrambled egg or canned beef catfood (protein,)  this will rebuild their strength and immune system. Feed this mixture to them for about 3 days, their regular feed can be mixed in as well. Poultry nutri drench can be added to their water, change it out daily and only use it for about 3 days...it can cause diarrhea.


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Time to go to Tractor Supply...

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Have never wormed chickens in the 17 years I've raised them.   Never had a problem (not to say I never will).  Just can't understand all the chemical use.  I got my chickens to avoid all that stuff.  Maybe tomorrow I will be over run!!!

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Originally Posted by Cindy in PA 

Have never wormed chickens in the 17 years I've raised them.   Never had a problem (not to say I never will).  Just can't understand all the chemical use.  I got my chickens to avoid all that stuff.  Maybe tomorrow I will be over run!!!


I didn't think that I had a problem either until I took my rooster to vet's where he stayed for a week being treated for respiratory infection and fungus.  Fecal samples showed round/other worms, much to my chagrin.  I was going to treated them all immediately, but the vet had me to treat them all first for preventing any possible spread of respiratory disease, i.e., I'm just now getting to where I can treat them for all the worms they have that I TOO didn't think they have.
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WORMING YOUR CHICKENS   -    FROM THE GOSPEL of JAMES (Chapter dawg53 1-2-3)

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1. Wazine17  - two ounces in two gallons of water for one day - dump eggs for two weeks
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...Ten days later:
2. Valbazen -one half cc/ml for standard size chickens, one quarter cc/ml for smaller chickens including silkies. You can use a syringe to squirt it down their throats individually or you can inject it into a small piece of bread and give each chicken a piece of bread....they gobble it up.  - dump the eggs for two weeks
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3. ...after a couple of days of using both wormers....give your chickens plain yogurt or buttermilk(probiotics), canned beef catfood (extra protein), all mixed in their feed and give it to them to build up their immune systems, do this about 3 days in a row. Then you'll have healthy, happy chickens lol.
The next time you worm,say in about 6 months or whenever you see fit...you can use the valbazen first, no need to use the wazine unless you want to. Please PM anytime and I'll be happy to help you with worming. Jim.
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Making buttermilk (joebryant):
Mine love it, and its lactic acid and bacteria culture is super healthy for them and YOU.
I make it a gallon at a time:
Buy a quart of buttermilk, pour it into a large container with a gallon of milk.  Let the five quarts sit at room temperature for 24 hours, stirring occasionally, and you'll have five quarts.  Save a quart to use with another gallon of milk later.
BTW, buttermilk will keep for a very long time in the refrigerator.
Store in a glass container(s).


Edited by joebryant - 11/17/10 at 5:25am
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post #8 of 149

ya  i  should   head over to  TSC  and pick some up

if it moves and is smaller than them, they will give it a try.  Think tiny velociraptors
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if it moves and is smaller than them, they will give it a try.  Think tiny velociraptors
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post #9 of 149

Valbazen will not overload their systems like other wormers might. It starves out worms over a several-day period so you can safely use it without starting with Wazine.

 

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~A dog on its owner's property is a pet; A dog on someone else's property is a predator~

 

 

Living the Good Life in the North Georgia Mountains~ Cynthia

 

 

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Quote:
Originally Posted by chillmiller 

ya  i  should   head over to  TSC  and pick some up


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chillmiller, I got my Wazine 17 at Tractor Supply (TSC), but they did not have Valbazen.  Dawg53 says, "...Valbazen can be ordered online or you can call them at jeffers livestock. You can see their website online,it's a cattle and sheep wormer and comes in  500ml liquid in a bottle. I think it's about $35 a bottle." http://www.jefferslivestock.com/valbazen-broad-spectrum-dewormer/camid/LIV/cp/16387/ 

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I just now ordered Valbazen from Jeffers Livestock (see above).
Here's my receipt from them; it didn't line up right when I copied and pasted. 
N2V4   Valbazen®, 500 mL
In Stock
  $36.65   1   $36.65
  
Item Total:
Tax:
Shipping (info):
Service Charge:
ORDER TOTAL:
  $36.65
$0.00
$0.00
$6.00
$42.65


Edited by joebryant - 11/16/10 at 6:50am
Breathes there a woman with soul so dead who never once looked up and said,
"Gee, what can I do for Joe Bryant today."

The best laid plans of mice and men go oft' awry.
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"Gee, what can I do for Joe Bryant today."

The best laid plans of mice and men go oft' awry.
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