Ginger Red Genetics - Page 2

I am breeding Fawn Gingers, and there are also Blue Gingers available now. I also created the Silver Ginger. Gingers are possible on the ER, e+,and eb alleles. ER Gingers are darker and may have gypsy faces and dark markings left on the lower breast of the males. The e+ Ginger is the best exhibition type because stippling will be better. Red Quill is also on e+ and is basically Ginger Red with the addition of the Pg (pattern gene). The eb Gingers tend to be more unstable and courser in Pattern. Ginger is also possible with Co (columbian ) on an e+ background, but tend to be too light and may segregrate for Black Tailed Buff. Tim 

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Originally Posted by TShelton54 

I am breeding Fawn Gingers, and there are also Blue Gingers available now. I also created the Silver Ginger. Gingers are possible on the ER, e+,and eb alleles. ER Gingers are darker and may have gypsy faces and dark markings left on the lower breast of the males. The e+ Ginger is the best exhibition type because stippling will be better. Red Quill is also on e+ and is basically Ginger Red with the addition of the Pg (pattern gene). The eb Gingers tend to be more unstable and courser in Pattern. Ginger is also possible with Co (columbian ) on an e+ background, but tend to be too light and may segregrate for Black Tailed Buff. Tim 

I am not real good at genetics yet( I don't understand the e+,    ER, Pg stuff yet) is it possible to post pics of each  genetic type with the acronym for each also, so us newbies could join in the fun! Thanks, Lynn

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Originally Posted by RAREROO 

Hi  What is the Genetics behind the Ginger Red color ?  How is it made and what other colors can it be bred to to get more Ginger reds?  ( other than Silver Ginger)

Thanks

You can get Db from autosomal barred birds or spangled birds. I would go with the autosomal barred bird because all you have to do is breed out the pattern gene. With the spangled birds you will have to breed out the pattern plus melanotic. 

You can not use spangled OEGB they are not a true spangled. 

Some gold duckwing phenotype male x autosomal barred female = F1

Cross the F1 with F1 until you get the ginger birds or birds that are ginger but carry one pattern gene. 

Cross the best looking birds from the F2 until you get what you want. 

Tim

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Originally Posted by TShelton54 

Ginger Red genetics is simple e+ (wild type or BB Red) with the addition of the Db gene (Dark brown inhibitor of black in the breast). The Db gene is also in Quail, Penciled (Hamburg, Campine, Freisan ECT. but also carrying the Pg Pattern gene in penciled and Ml Melanotic black enhancer in Quail.) With a cross of BB Red and Quail you can select for Brassy Back (black breast) Quail (clear brest and black hackle) and Ginger Red (clear breast and clear hackle). F2 generations bred inter se are even more variable. Black Tailed Buff to BB Red may give better results, but will add wheaten blood to the BB Reds. This is easy to select out in the down, as BB Red is Dark striped, wheaten is clear yellow and intermediates are pale striped. Gingers from this cross may be lighter and need a second infusion of BB Red blood to achieve the color desired. T. Shelton

Thank you TShelton54 for using layman's terms, I have another question, I have hen that came from my Red Quill Standard Game Fowl, she is Ginger colored but has Barring like a Campine, I have her in with a Grey Rooster with a lot of silver in his back, what should be the outcome in the offspring? I was hoping for Silver Ginger, is this possible?  Thanks, Lynn

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Originally Posted by TShelton54 

Ginger Red genetics is simple e+ (wild type or BB Red) with the addition of the Db gene (Dark brown inhibitor of black in the breast). The Db gene is also in Quail, Penciled (Hamburg, Campine, Freisan ECT. but also carrying the Pg Pattern gene in penciled and Ml Melanotic black enhancer in Quail.) With a cross of BB Red and Quail you can select for Brassy Back (black breast) Quail (clear brest and black hackle) and Ginger Red (clear breast and clear hackle). F2 generations bred inter se are even more variable. Black Tailed Buff to BB Red may give better results, but will add wheaten blood to the BB Reds. This is easy to select out in the down, as BB Red is Dark striped, wheaten is clear yellow and intermediates are pale striped. Gingers from this cross may be lighter and need a second infusion of BB Red blood to achieve the color desired. T. Shelton

It would make sense, but quail is mostly based on columbian Co, not Db. Db would go against a black lower hackle as seen in quail.