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post #51 of 63
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Originally Posted by eggboy 

So then what is a breech or barrel malfunction?


To make it simple, nobody really knows. Or atleast they never lived to tell anyone. Okay, it is when the barrel blows up. That ought to explain it.

post #52 of 63
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Originally Posted by eggboy 

So then what is a breech or barrel malfunction?


Why don't you find a local gunsmith and ask him or her about what goes on inside the breech or in the barrel of a weapon and the many things that can and do go wrong.  This includes bad metal, bad machining, metal fatigue (sort of like airplane wings cracking and falling off), and abuse by the owner. 

You'll get an education and develop a very healthy respect for any weapon that sends a bullet out of a barrel.

Maybe then you'll understand why folks are suggesting that used weapons be checked before purchase.


Edited by theFox - 1/3/11 at 6:21pm
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post #53 of 63
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Originally Posted by Robo 
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Originally Posted by eggboy 

So then what is a breech or barrel malfunction?


To make it simple, nobody really knows. Or atleast they never lived to tell anyone. Okay, it is when the barrel blows up. That ought to explain it.


This is a NONSENSE ANSWER and is MOSTLY UNTRUE.  YES, We DO KNOW what causes the "blow-ups". There are many different reasons....but they are NOT "UNKNOWN".

Because one person has no idea what causes these "malfunctions...doen't mean that everyone else is as ignorant.

NONSENSE !
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post #54 of 63

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But it is better that the OP talk to a gunsmith to discover all of the things that have caused guns to do other than intended things.

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post #55 of 63
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Originally Posted by theFox 

thumbsup 

But it is better that the OP talk to a gunsmith to discover all of the things that have caused guns to do other than intended things.


AGREED ! (definitely)

I would also suggest that he talk with about 3 gunsmiths....some so-called "gunsmiths" know about as much about their "trade" as a skin-diver knows about plumbing.

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post #56 of 63

Many things will cause a barrel to fail.  Most often it is caused by using an over load, by this I mean to much powder in the shell.  This happened more when damascus steel was used for the barrels.  Next would probably be lack of care, poor or no maitenance.  This will cause the barrel to rust.  As many of the other parts of the breech.  Failure to check the barrel for blockage.  This can be caused by a piece of a cleaning cloth left in the barrel or more often mud in the barrel.  This happens when a person places the barrel on the ground to steady himself/herself if they lose the footing.  This can happen with a new or the best made gun.  I know of one gun the blew up because of an insect nest in the barrel.  While working with the manufacturer, they would get guns in that had blown up.  Many times people would say the gun parts failed.  It was up to the manufacturer to prove them wrong and in most cases they did.  In a few it was poor workmanship.  If you stay with a major brand Remington, Smth & Wesson or Winchester to name a few, you should have no problems.  One of the best shotguns I ever used was a JC Higgins (Sears) 12 ga pump.  I will say my favorite are the guns made by Itahca.  They are the timex of the fire arm companies.

IF YOU BUY A CHEAP PAIR OF PANTS, YOU MAY GET AN EXPOSED BOTTOM.  IF YOU BUY A CHEAP GUN, NO TELLING WHAT WILL HAPPEN.

Just buy the best you can afford.  This is the same thing I tell someone when they ask me about an incubator.  I use alot of LGs, most don't like them because they are cheap.  I have cabinet bators also, but only use them for large hatches.

post #57 of 63
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Originally Posted by theFox 
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When I was sixteen I bought a new Winchester lever action 30-30 and hated it because it scared the beegees out of me since in order to chamber a round you had to cock it and then had to ease the hammer down to uncock it.  One of the first times I hunted with it the hammer slipped and it fired--never like it after that.  Fortunately I was smart enough to not have it aimed at anything where it would have done damage.  I never shot that gun in anger and ended up trading it for a side-by-side .20.  (I grew up in an area where rifles were allowed for deer hunting and then moved to one where they weren't so didn't need it anyway.)


Well,

I never chambered a round until I had a target.


With that Winchester if you waited to chamber the round when you spotted a deer,  the deer would have been gone--kind of a noisy operation. Noisy enough just bringing back the hammer.   Even so, once you shot, ejected the spent cartridge and returned the lever, there was a live round in the chamber and the hammer was back. The secret was to put your thumb in front of the hammer between it and the firing pin when you released it but even then you had to be careful.  It just points out the importance of knowing your gun before loading it and taking it afield.

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post #58 of 63
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darkmatter wrote:

Go to the Gun Shows, you can get a 7.62 X 54 Mosin Nagant new in the box (with cosmoline) for around $100 (+/-). It's equivalant to a 30.06 in ballistics and a hello of a lot cheaper. I have a Ruger M77 30.06 I purchased some time ago for a lot. My Son bought a Mosin Nagant 30/91 of WWII vintage still new in the box, the darn thing outshoots my 30.06. I hate it when my Kids are smarter then me! (not really, he shows me up all the time)


If I got a Mosin Nagant new in the box would I still have to check the headspace and such? Or would it be like buying a new rifle?

post #59 of 63
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Originally Posted by eggboy 

darkmatter wrote:

Go to the Gun Shows, you can get a 7.62 X 54 Mosin Nagant new in the box (with cosmoline) for around $100 (+/-). It's equivalant to a 30.06 in ballistics and a hello of a lot cheaper. I have a Ruger M77 30.06 I purchased some time ago for a lot. My Son bought a Mosin Nagant 30/91 of WWII vintage still new in the box, the darn thing outshoots my 30.06. I hate it when my Kids are smarter then me! (not really, he shows me up all the time)


If I got a Mosin Nagant new in the box would I still have to check the headspace and such? Or would it be like buying a new rifle?


When my Son bought his, it took a couple hours cleaning the 60 year old cosmoline out of it. A careful examination and then off to the range (my backyard). Yes it was "brand new". This site: http://7.62x54r.net/

should
answer more questions then you know to ask. There were many factories that made the Mosin Nagant, this site will let you know which stampings were made where and the quality of the firearm--but all were made to military standards. A friend of my Son has a "bring back" Mosin that shows the wear and tear of 60 years of use, the rifling looks nearly smooth and it does not group as well, but still shoots well enough to have served three generations of deer hunting.

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post #60 of 63
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Originally Posted by woodmort 
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Originally Posted by theFox 
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Originally Posted by woodmort 

When I was sixteen I bought a new Winchester lever action 30-30 and hated it because it scared the beegees out of me since in order to chamber a round you had to cock it and then had to ease the hammer down to uncock it.  One of the first times I hunted with it the hammer slipped and it fired--never like it after that.  Fortunately I was smart enough to not have it aimed at anything where it would have done damage.  I never shot that gun in anger and ended up trading it for a side-by-side .20.  (I grew up in an area where rifles were allowed for deer hunting and then moved to one where they weren't so didn't need it anyway.)


Well,

I never chambered a round until I had a target.


With that Winchester if you waited to chamber the round when you spotted a deer,  the deer would have been gone--kind of a noisy operation. Noisy enough just bringing back the hammer.   Even so, once you shot, ejected the spent cartridge and returned the lever, there was a live round in the chamber and the hammer was back. The secret was to put your thumb in front of the hammer between it and the firing pin when you released it but even then you had to be careful.  It just points out the importance of knowing your gun before loading it and taking it afield.


You definitely need to know the weapon before even picking it up.

Now I understand you being partial to your snake eyes, my favorite is a 16 gage single.  I have two of them one was my father's.  Simple, easy to clean, and easy on the shoulder when discharged.

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