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Cooper, I would love to know more about this breed. WOuld you do a little write upon it? Something educational for the lurkers, and me . . I 've never heard of this breed. ANd I only know a pinch about the pennie--it was crossed with marans and is the bane of marans breeding now. Sorry--no offense intended. Not the pennie fault.

As with the Penedesenca they are a spanish breed. Basically a Empordanesa is a white Penedesenca. Though in Spain there are a few other color's

They have the same king comb being single with a crown in the back almost.

They lay a very very dark brown egg like the penedesenca. Some say darkest of all though I have not seen any as dark as a Black Copper Maran

They are flighty though not aggressive .On the positive they are great where I am. we have lots of predators and they are very alert.

A lighter to maybe medium breed they do not eat as much as a maran and take the heat much better. They are very heat tolerant.

They both have a nice whispering sound that they speak to each other with. Very nice

Not a good small backyard chicken but great to have in wild or free range situations

Here is a picture of My Crele Empordanesa. If anyone else knows something I missed please Chime in.

 

Penedesenca come in Black, Crele ,Partridge and wheaten

Empordanesa are white. though there are red and Blue tail in spain.

Handsome bird!!

 

I can see where birds were altered from these more wild types to the modern types. THe modern types were developed in a protected environment. where most of the predators where eliminated and farming provided most of the feeds rather than a bird that hustled. Each cannot do the others job. 

 

I didn't realize crele was a black barred coloring. Handsome rooster.

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post #852 of 2176
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I am starting out with Appenzeller Spitzhaubens and Cream Brabanters. Both breeds have similar combs, body types, nostrils, and crests. Both breeds have small gene pools in this country. What do you think of out crossing between the two to decrease the in breeding? Now, don't everyone jump on me at once.

A year and a half has passed. I thought I would give you an update. After all your good advice, I let circumstances lead my breeding plan. Out of the half dozen Brabanters that hatched, I had one male and five females. I kept the best three females. One of the pullets had beautiful spangling and crest, but no beard. I decided fate was telling me something and put her in my Spitzhauben pen. I took her best looking son and crossed him back to his pure Spitz aunts. I have just hatched a batch of his chicks. In the spring, I will choose the best of the males to breed back his pure bred great aunts. That hatch will be 7/8 Spitz. I will keep the best pullets (the ones I have will be getting kind of old) and breed them back to their father, unless I find a nice Spitz rooster to replace him with.

 

The same thing happened with my Spitzhaubens. I hatched one pullet with a beard, and put her in with my Brabanter rooster. Her son will be crossed back to his aunts next spring.

 

The intersting thing is, if I had more room and wanted to, I could breed cream Spitz and silver Brabanters. Both are available in Europe, but not here.


Edited by hallerlake - 10/20/12 at 1:00pm

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post #853 of 2176

Very challenging to work with a limited number in a gene pool.  Have you considered a rotational breeding pen system? Might decrease your inbreeding.

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post #855 of 2176
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Very challenging to work with a limited number in a gene pool.  Have you considered a rotational breeding pen system? Might decrease your inbreeding.

The problem is room. I live in the city on half an acre. I'm out of my mind doing breeding at all. I belong to the Spitz and Brabanter clubs on Facebook. At some point, I'll trade eggs with someone to bring in some new genes. I might even splurge on a Spitz cockerel from Greenfire Farm which just imported Spitz from Europe for the first time in  sixty some years. GFF has also brought over some Pavlovskaya chickens. They are a parent breed of both the Spitz and Brabanters. They look like a Brabanter with feathered feet. I could breed one of those to my Brabanters.

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post #856 of 2176
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The problem is room. I live in the city on half an acre. I'm out of my mind doing breeding at all. I belong to the Spitz and Brabanter clubs on Facebook. At some point, I'll trade eggs with someone to bring in some new genes. I might even splurge on a Spitz cockerel from Greenfire Farm which just imported Spitz from Europe for the first time in  sixty some years. GFF has also brought over some Pavlovskaya chickens. They are a parent breed of both the Spitz and Brabanters. They look like a Brabanter with feathered feet. I could breed one of those to my Brabanters.

work with what you have I say. keep the hen chicks and try and find more eggs or birds . what you hatch swap the roosters

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Breeding Crele Penedesenca ,Black Penedesenca  and White Empordanesa

plus the

Blue Crew ( my Silver Ameraucana hens )

for olive egger purposes

 

"Penedesenca Breeders and Fan Club " on Facebook

www.penedesencausa.com

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California Certified Nursery Pro

 

Breeding Crele Penedesenca ,Black Penedesenca  and White Empordanesa

plus the

Blue Crew ( my Silver Ameraucana hens )

for olive egger purposes

 

"Penedesenca Breeders and Fan Club " on Facebook

www.penedesencausa.com

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post #857 of 2176

A lot of people start out with a trio of birds to start up a strain. You can cross them up many different times/ways before inbreeding becomes an issue. What you have to watch out for when breeding close relatives is bad traits not necessarily the close gene pools. When you add in a new blood line/gene pool it could possibly set you back from where you are, so be mindful of that too. Save something that is already working for a rainy day so to speak.  (right Walt?) thought so.

 

Jeff

You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, you can make a purse out of it, but it won't be silk. LOL
 
Maybe in about another 30-40 years I'll get this "being an expert" thing figured out by then. LOL
 
Still trying to practice Granny's advice 'if you don't have anything nice to say then keep it to yourself' LOL been at it for 45 years still don't have it down pat yet!
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You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, you can make a purse out of it, but it won't be silk. LOL
 
Maybe in about another 30-40 years I'll get this "being an expert" thing figured out by then. LOL
 
Still trying to practice Granny's advice 'if you don't have anything nice to say then keep it to yourself' LOL been at it for 45 years still don't have it down pat yet!
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post #858 of 2176
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A lot of people start out with a trio of birds to start up a strain. You can cross them up many different times/ways before inbreeding becomes an issue. What you have to watch out for when breeding close relatives is bad traits not necessarily the close gene pools. When you add in a new blood line/gene pool it could possibly set you back from where you are, so be mindful of that too. Save something that is already working for a rainy day so to speak.  (right Walt?) thought so.

 

Jeff

yes I agree.

That is what I am going to do with my White Empordanesa, they are so rare very few people have them. I plan on doing that while still trying to find more every chance I get it will not slow me down either

California Certified Nursery Pro

 

Breeding Crele Penedesenca ,Black Penedesenca  and White Empordanesa

plus the

Blue Crew ( my Silver Ameraucana hens )

for olive egger purposes

 

"Penedesenca Breeders and Fan Club " on Facebook

www.penedesencausa.com

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California Certified Nursery Pro

 

Breeding Crele Penedesenca ,Black Penedesenca  and White Empordanesa

plus the

Blue Crew ( my Silver Ameraucana hens )

for olive egger purposes

 

"Penedesenca Breeders and Fan Club " on Facebook

www.penedesencausa.com

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post #859 of 2176
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Originally Posted by catdaddyfro View Post

A lot of people start out with a trio of birds to start up a strain. You can cross them up many different times/ways before inbreeding becomes an issue. What you have to watch out for when breeding close relatives is bad traits not necessarily the close gene pools. When you add in a new blood line/gene pool it could possibly set you back from where you are, so be mindful of that too. Save something that is already working for a rainy day so to speak.  (right Walt?) thought so.

 

Jeff

My Spitzhauben strain came with good crests, spangling, and body type, but also a deformed toe nail issue (middle toe, left foot), and pale legs ocassionally.. I don't keep any chicks with those traits. I hope both will stop appearing in the not too distant future. I bought Spitz eggs from a local person, but ended up selling all but one. My birds were much better. The one I kept was the bearded one I crossed with my Brabanter rooster. Her sons are quite handsome.

 

 

Good Brabanters are even harder to find than good Spitzhaubens. I'm hoping the outcrossing with my Spitz will improve their spangling and crests.


Edited by hallerlake - 10/21/12 at 10:55am

Brabanters and Appenzeller Spitzhaubens. My BYC page http://www.backyardchickens.com/a/hallerlakes-member-page

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Appenzeller Spitzhauben

Cream Brabanter

 

You can see why I couldn't make up my mind and had to have both.


Edited by hallerlake - 10/21/12 at 11:27am

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