Originally Posted by Blarneyeggs
I used their entry form.... so I think so.
Okay, you may have sent them to the Lima, OH show? There were 14 entries in that show, and I am told the entries were overall quite nice! Let me know if this was the show you sent your entry to and how you did. Hope you came out on top!
Originally Posted by scflock
Thanks Don, and Wynette, too. I've always been confused as to whether it was carnation or coronation, so now that's settled. It appears that the rear of his blade may possibly be set to produce a few more points, and I thought that's what coronation was. Nothing definite yet, maybe I'm gunshy after my last rooster. I'm glad the wave isn't something to be concerned with yet.
There is only one blue, but I understand what you are saying. There is an undertone of blue to the black, especially visible in the sunlight. Do you think that's a product of blacks produced from a black/blue pen?
Wynette, I appreciate your feedback on the feather quality. I didn't order blue, but one found its way into my order, and I'm fine with that.
Guys, I'm not starting over again. These birds are leaps and bounds ahead of my first flock. This is where I start. Don, if you think the blacks are from a BBS program, then that is how I will breed them, and be very upfront with customers about what I have. 95% of my customers want dark eggs and could care less about SOP. I want to try and find a happy medium. I want you guys to help me learn to breed to SOP, but I'm not starting with SQ birds. This is what I have, this is what I move forward with, and I really appreciate the feedback you guys have given me
It's "carnation," not "coronation." If you are seeing a few more small points coming out at the blade end, then it's very likely this is the carnation comb INFLUENCE. Many breeders used Penedesenca to improve egg color years ago (which I find interesting, since I've personally never seen a Penedenca egg that was darker than a Marans, but perhaps at one time they were). It can crop up generations later after not seeing it for awhile, unfortunately.
We've been talking on other boards for years now about folk breeding birds that are not to the SOP. There are several opinions out there, and it doesn't matter what mine is - YOU need to be happy with what you decide to do.
However, I do feel a responsibility to explain where those of us breeding to the SOP are coming from. By propagating birds with DQ issues (such as the carnation comb issue), it's putting more poorly bred birds out there, for more folks to pick up & breed MORE poorly bred birds from. Many of these folks will eventually wish to get really serious about exhibiting, and find that the stock they've invested many years in will not work for exhibition, and they end up needing to start over. We see this time & time again. Please do not misunderstand me. I'm not attempting to put down your birds at all. Without lots more pictures, or video, or (best case scenario) laying hands on your birds, I am by no means qualified to make the assumption that your birds have DQ issues or are not exhibition worthy. Just stating where some of us are coming from.
The whole feather quality issue is a whole other issue, and again, it's common with most breeds that have blue or self blue varieties. It's NOT a DQ, but it would be a tie breaker, so to speak, if two birds of the same breed/variety/gender and were otherwise very equal. I see lots of poor feather quality in show pens on birds that have gone on to win their class. Just something to keep in mind. :)
Originally Posted by KYBOY
Starting back this season we are going to be hatching a lot to well basically start out flock of BCM's over..We have one nice rooster left(another "backup") and one hen(out of three) that I feel good about breeding..Her eggs are have been about this color for a while and shes getting pretty far into her cycle so they will be lightening up for sure but what do you all think of this color right now?
Very nice egg color here! The sheen is great, too, which is one of the hallmarks of a good Marans egg. Great work here.