Black Copper Marans discussion thread
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Wow!!! Nice posting.... Now Debbi... A test mating (your right a LOT of flaws) but it could reveal the secrets of the coloring... (your not going to keep the offspring in a program) you are going to record the results if any...and then offer free chicks on CL... straight run.. or all 10 for 5 bucks or something or give them to a 4-her... keep any that are "funny looking"... like chipmunk striped, or brown, or yellow.... just for the sake of the project... or just photo record that part.... I agree another rooster would be a better choice... But we would be tempted to keep the bad stuff from a good rooster.. lol...
The birds would be offed as Backyard layer prospects and dual purpose chocolate layers of unknown origin..
Thanks MathAce
The birds would be offed as Backyard layer prospects and dual purpose chocolate layers of unknown origin..
Thanks MathAce
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NEWBIES and other inquiring minds . . . .
If you asked a question over the last 20 or so pages AND did not get an answer - - - -
PLEASE
Repost it!
We do not mean to ignore anyone, but we do miss some postings when it starts flying Hot and Wild
If you are new to marans and the genetic coversations seem overwhelming - - - that is NORMAL!
Just scan the postings and keep on reading. You have those posting at COLLEGE MARANS level,
High School Marans level, Middle School Marans level, and even pre-k level. I, personally,
am not in the college level. I read the postings I can understand and truck right past the ones I don't.
I figure when I get to that point in my hobby, I'll ask and I KNOW someone will re-explain it too me. . . .
If you asked a question over the last 20 or so pages AND did not get an answer - - - -
We do not mean to ignore anyone, but we do miss some postings when it starts flying Hot and Wild
If you are new to marans and the genetic coversations seem overwhelming - - - that is NORMAL!
Just scan the postings and keep on reading. You have those posting at COLLEGE MARANS level,
High School Marans level, Middle School Marans level, and even pre-k level. I, personally,
am not in the college level. I read the postings I can understand and truck right past the ones I don't.
I figure when I get to that point in my hobby, I'll ask and I KNOW someone will re-explain it too me. . . .
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Very glad you said that! I think Im in middle school working my way up at this point. I missed 24 hours and There had to have been 20+ pages to read through! awesome thanks guys...
Very glad you said that! I think Im in middle school working my way up at this point. I missed 24 hours and There had to have been 20+ pages to read through! awesome thanks guys...
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Thanks for putting that out there. I have a graduate degree in real life and this thread was beginning to make my head spin! I'm SO at preschool Marans level but I've got a brooder full of 9 BCMs that I just hatched, so I'm anxious to learn more about the BASIC desirable qualities. Can someone break it out for me like they're talking to a five year old? (I could do a bunch of searches and reading on my own, but this way is much more fun!)
And, at the risk of being redundant, here are my new chickletes: (the light ones are Ameraucanas, the tiny, all black one is an Ameraucana x SSH).
Thanks for putting that out there. I have a graduate degree in real life and this thread was beginning to make my head spin! I'm SO at preschool Marans level but I've got a brooder full of 9 BCMs that I just hatched, so I'm anxious to learn more about the BASIC desirable qualities. Can someone break it out for me like they're talking to a five year old? (I could do a bunch of searches and reading on my own, but this way is much more fun!)
And, at the risk of being redundant, here are my new chickletes: (the light ones are Ameraucanas, the tiny, all black one is an Ameraucana x SSH).
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Sooo, you 're asking me to hatch a breeding of Fuglee and Precious? Brother to sister? I'm not sure exactly what that is going to prove if they both have the exact or similar genes? Would they not both be carrying the faults and we'd be doubling up, or are you looking specifically for weird colors? I'm thinking the colors will come to the front if they are bred together, but what's to say it isn't coming from one or the other? 'Splain yourself Lucy!
Sooo, you 're asking me to hatch a breeding of Fuglee and Precious? Brother to sister? I'm not sure exactly what that is going to prove if they both have the exact or similar genes? Would they not both be carrying the faults and we'd be doubling up, or are you looking specifically for weird colors? I'm thinking the colors will come to the front if they are bred together, but what's to say it isn't coming from one or the other? 'Splain yourself Lucy!
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BASICS at the tiny, tiny, tiny size .. . .
Check the feet - - - The legs ( shanks) should be Grey / slate. If they are green, yellow, or white. . . . you got trouble.
Check the toes - - - The toes are pinkish.
LATER - - - as they grow LOOK at the
combs - - A 5 point comb is the goal, BUT DO NOT CULL BECAUSE OF POINTS. A bad comb is not too hard to fix.
Cull for things like side sprigs.
Color - - As the chicks start to feather in, watch for color.
HENS - - should be ALL BLACK except for copper in the neck.
ROOS - - All Black except in the hackle and saddle area which should be anywhere in the copper to mahgony color range.
EYE COLOR - - - will change as they grow . . . The eyes should eventually be an orangey color described as "BAY"
BODY shape - - - THESE SHOULD be BIG, CHUNKY birds. They were originally DUAL PURPOSE.
They should have a rectangular shape to the body.
Chests should be WIDE.
The width of the Back should be wide.
These are the basics. There is very little you can cull for at an early age. I would not plan on doing any culling before 16 weeks. A roo that is over colored works well with a hen that is under colored. The opposite is true too. So, it is not a case of picking the very best individuals. It is a case of picking the couple or trio that complements each other the best. With the hens, you don't even want to choose them until you find out what color egg they lay. So, most decisions are not going to be made until 6 months of age - - - at the earliest.
This is my strategy. I am sure others do it different.
Hope this helps you out. . . Sit back and enjoy the babies.
By the way, the roo's attitude comes into play too. IF he is PERFECT, but is attacking you . . .. then soup pot time. Marans should be nice birds. I have 2 youth that I am growing out now. The one has too much copper in his chest for my girls. . .. . He is showing signs of being nasty too. He will be gone in one more month - - - at that 16 week mark. The other one has better coloring for my girls. He has a longer back and better body too. HOWEVER, if he gets nasty after his brother is removed . . . I will not use him. His daddy has been a darling, so there is no reason to have a JERK for a son. . . . .
BASICS at the tiny, tiny, tiny size .. . .
Check the feet - - - The legs ( shanks) should be Grey / slate. If they are green, yellow, or white. . . . you got trouble.
Check the toes - - - The toes are pinkish.
LATER - - - as they grow LOOK at the
combs - - A 5 point comb is the goal, BUT DO NOT CULL BECAUSE OF POINTS. A bad comb is not too hard to fix.
Cull for things like side sprigs.
Color - - As the chicks start to feather in, watch for color.
HENS - - should be ALL BLACK except for copper in the neck.
ROOS - - All Black except in the hackle and saddle area which should be anywhere in the copper to mahgony color range.
EYE COLOR - - - will change as they grow . . . The eyes should eventually be an orangey color described as "BAY"
BODY shape - - - THESE SHOULD be BIG, CHUNKY birds. They were originally DUAL PURPOSE.
They should have a rectangular shape to the body.
Chests should be WIDE.
The width of the Back should be wide.
These are the basics. There is very little you can cull for at an early age. I would not plan on doing any culling before 16 weeks. A roo that is over colored works well with a hen that is under colored. The opposite is true too. So, it is not a case of picking the very best individuals. It is a case of picking the couple or trio that complements each other the best. With the hens, you don't even want to choose them until you find out what color egg they lay. So, most decisions are not going to be made until 6 months of age - - - at the earliest.
This is my strategy. I am sure others do it different.
Hope this helps you out. . . Sit back and enjoy the babies.
By the way, the roo's attitude comes into play too. IF he is PERFECT, but is attacking you . . .. then soup pot time. Marans should be nice birds. I have 2 youth that I am growing out now. The one has too much copper in his chest for my girls. . .. . He is showing signs of being nasty too. He will be gone in one more month - - - at that 16 week mark. The other one has better coloring for my girls. He has a longer back and better body too. HOWEVER, if he gets nasty after his brother is removed . . . I will not use him. His daddy has been a darling, so there is no reason to have a JERK for a son. . . . .
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Hi everyone -- I'm new here and wasn't sure where to post -- feel free to refer me to the right spot but here goes:
I've been trying to read some of this thread and was quickly overwhelmed. If you have Black Copper hens that feather out PURE black, but otherwise have nicely feathered shanks, etc, would you still breed them and if so, what would you look for in the roo to bring out the copper? Or should I assume that I received blacks and not Black Coppers? The rooster that hatched out from that batch of eggs is definitely a Black Copper. The person I bought them from advertised them as being from the Wade Jeane line. (I have no proof of that though, for all I know they could have been store-bought white eggs coated in shoe polish!
)
Also, silly question here, but is it possible to candle a Marans egg, given the color of the shell? I couldn't figure out how to candle mine last year!
(Edited to say, thanks MathAce for the primer!)
I've been trying to read some of this thread and was quickly overwhelmed. If you have Black Copper hens that feather out PURE black, but otherwise have nicely feathered shanks, etc, would you still breed them and if so, what would you look for in the roo to bring out the copper? Or should I assume that I received blacks and not Black Coppers? The rooster that hatched out from that batch of eggs is definitely a Black Copper. The person I bought them from advertised them as being from the Wade Jeane line. (I have no proof of that though, for all I know they could have been store-bought white eggs coated in shoe polish!
Also, silly question here, but is it possible to candle a Marans egg, given the color of the shell? I couldn't figure out how to candle mine last year!
(Edited to say, thanks MathAce for the primer!)
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BASICS at the tiny, tiny, tiny size .. . .
Check the feet - - - The legs ( shanks) should be Grey / slate. If they are green, yellow, or white. . . . you got trouble.
Check the toes - - - The toes are pinkish.
LATER - - - as they grow LOOK at the
combs - - A 5 point comb is the goal, BUT DO NOT CULL BECAUSE OF POINTS. A bad comb is not too hard to fix. Cull for things like side sprigs.
Color - - As the chicks start to feather in, watch for color.
HENS - - should be ALL BLACK except for copper in the neck.
ROOS - - All Black except in the hackle and saddle area which should be anywhere in the copper to mahgony color range.
EYE COLOR - - - will change as they grow . . . The eyes should eventually be an orangey color described as "BAY"
BODY shape - - - THESE SHOULD be BIG, CHUNKY birds. They were originally DUAL PURPOSE.
They should have a rectangular shape to the body.
Chests should be WIDE.
The width of the Back should be wide.
These are the basics. There is very little you can cull for at an early age. I would not plan on doing any culling before 16 weeks. A roo that is over colored works well with a hen that is under colored. The opposite is true too. So, it is not a case of picking the very best individuals. It is a case of picking the couple or trio that complements each other the best. With the hens, you don't even want to choose them until you find out what color egg they lay. So, most decisions are not going to be made until 6 months of age - - - at the earliest.
This is my strategy. I am sure others do it different.
Hope this helps you out. . . Sit back and enjoy the babies.
By the way, the roo's attitude comes into play too. IF he is PERFECT, but is attacking you . . .. then soup pot time. Marans should be nice birds. I have 2 youth that I am growing out now. The one has too much copper in his chest for my girls. . .. . He is showing signs of being nasty too. He will be gone in one more month - - - at that 16 week mark. The other one has better coloring for my girls. He has a longer back and better body too. HOWEVER, if he gets nasty after his brother is removed . . . I will not use him. His daddy has been a darling, so there is no reason to have a JERK for a son. . . . .
THAT was an enormously helpful first lesson! Thank you VERY much!
BASICS at the tiny, tiny, tiny size .. . .
Check the feet - - - The legs ( shanks) should be Grey / slate. If they are green, yellow, or white. . . . you got trouble.
Check the toes - - - The toes are pinkish.
LATER - - - as they grow LOOK at the
combs - - A 5 point comb is the goal, BUT DO NOT CULL BECAUSE OF POINTS. A bad comb is not too hard to fix. Cull for things like side sprigs.
Color - - As the chicks start to feather in, watch for color.
HENS - - should be ALL BLACK except for copper in the neck.
ROOS - - All Black except in the hackle and saddle area which should be anywhere in the copper to mahgony color range.
EYE COLOR - - - will change as they grow . . . The eyes should eventually be an orangey color described as "BAY"
BODY shape - - - THESE SHOULD be BIG, CHUNKY birds. They were originally DUAL PURPOSE.
They should have a rectangular shape to the body.
Chests should be WIDE.
The width of the Back should be wide.
These are the basics. There is very little you can cull for at an early age. I would not plan on doing any culling before 16 weeks. A roo that is over colored works well with a hen that is under colored. The opposite is true too. So, it is not a case of picking the very best individuals. It is a case of picking the couple or trio that complements each other the best. With the hens, you don't even want to choose them until you find out what color egg they lay. So, most decisions are not going to be made until 6 months of age - - - at the earliest.
This is my strategy. I am sure others do it different.
Hope this helps you out. . . Sit back and enjoy the babies.
By the way, the roo's attitude comes into play too. IF he is PERFECT, but is attacking you . . .. then soup pot time. Marans should be nice birds. I have 2 youth that I am growing out now. The one has too much copper in his chest for my girls. . .. . He is showing signs of being nasty too. He will be gone in one more month - - - at that 16 week mark. The other one has better coloring for my girls. He has a longer back and better body too. HOWEVER, if he gets nasty after his brother is removed . . . I will not use him. His daddy has been a darling, so there is no reason to have a JERK for a son. . . . .
THAT was an enormously helpful first lesson! Thank you VERY much!
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