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Originally Posted by Oldhound 

http://www.sandhillpreservation.com/pages/poultry_catalog.html.    Orange Ribbon  this is Sandhill's poultry page. Check them out when you get time.  They sell out early , but they are such honest descent people . I got my second batch the first week in May , big healthy chicks , not sold as show but one of the few places one can have a choice of Heritage breeds.     Bless You and Best Wishes


I'm still up in the air on Sand Hill. Havnt been hearing good things about their stock over the past 5 years. I've not ever got anything from them but I've heard more bad then good about them here lately.

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Originally Posted by kathyinmo 
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Originally Posted by Orange Ribbon 

Just wondering, does anyone know of a a good heritage breeder closer to Virginia?


How many and what breeds are you interested in?


Hi Kathy,

My wife wants 3 to 6 Silver Laced Wyandotte pullets with one or two roos.

I have had several breeds in mind for myself, Buckeyes and Barred Rocks among them, but there is one breed that just keeps catching my eye.  Speckled Sussex.  They look good to me, are said to be friendly, lay decent, make good brooders and mothers, plus are good for meat.  I have decided that is what I want to go with.  I want 15 to 25 pullets with a couple roosters.  And I want the best!  big_smile 


Skyline, glad you posted again.  I've gotten sidetracked a little as I've been studying a lot on breeds and the various good breeders.  I looked at your site again and see you have both the Silver Laced Wyandottes and Speckled Sussex.  Can you tell me some about yours?  Are they the best in the land?  Anyone here on BYC got some of your stock?   Do you ship to Virginia?  And when will you have some available?


Edited by Orange Ribbon - 6/8/11 at 9:59pm
Speckled Sussex.  I have a link on my homepage to some pictures of them.
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Speckled Sussex.  I have a link on my homepage to some pictures of them.
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post #513 of 928
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Originally Posted by Orange Ribbon 
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Originally Posted by kathyinmo 
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Originally Posted by Orange Ribbon 

Just wondering, does anyone know of a a good heritage breeder closer to Virginia?


How many and what breeds are you interested in?


Hi Kathy,

My wife wants 3 to 6 Silver Laced Wyandotte pullets with one or two roos.

I have had several breeds in mind for myself, Buckeyes and Barred Rocks among them, but there is one breed that just keeps catching my eye.  Speckled Sussex.  They look good to me, are said to be friendly, lay decent, make good brooders and mothers, plus are good for meat.  I have decided that is what I want to go with.  I want 15 to 25 pullets with a couple roosters.  And I want the best!  big_smile 


Skyline, glad you posted again.  I've gotten sidetracked a little as I've been studying a lot on breeds and the various good breeders.  I looked at your site again and see you have both the Silver Laced Wyandottes and Speckled Sussex.  Can you tell me some about yours?  Are they the best in the land?  Anyone here on BYC got some of your stock?   Do you ship to Virginia?  And when will you have some available?


My Speckled Sussex have came from 3 sources. Mt Healthy, Local Breeders, & Mcmurray. I breed to what I like and will have my own lines by next season.  My locals were very big. Mt Healthys were good layers. Mcmurrays had good Plumage. My Silver Laced Wyandottes are straight from Ron Presley. Will not change Ron Presleys line. Very good stock! No need to do anything . Ill have speckled and SLW ready by late next year. SLW will be sooner since they'll be straightt bred.

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Neat thread - great educational topic!  Listening and learning...  pop

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I haven't read the whole thread yet and I certainly intend to.
We have a small farm (12 acres) in Ga. The goal is to raise 90% of our food in 5 years. This is our second year and the first producing out own food. I chose Marans as our main chicken. I had to have a good dual purpose breed that had a single comb because of the heat. The incredible eggs are a bonus. My flock is just beginning to lay and my rooster is a chunk. Around eight pounds at 5 months! I hope his sons are of equal proportions as they are for the table. We have recently added birds that are more single use. A few Easter Eggers and a breeding pair of Silver Spangled Hamburgs. The EEs are to cross to my Marans roo for Olive Eggers which I will selectively breed for dual use.

Here at Peregrine Hill Farm my Husband and I have a menagerie... 4 Marans (two BCM and two Blue Coppers) 3 Easter Eggers, 2 dogs (Italian Greyhound Monty and Redbone Coonhound Ellie Bean) 1 cat Misu and 2 horses (Lipizzaner Maximus and Quarter Horse Houston)
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Here at Peregrine Hill Farm my Husband and I have a menagerie... 4 Marans (two BCM and two Blue Coppers) 3 Easter Eggers, 2 dogs (Italian Greyhound Monty and Redbone Coonhound Ellie Bean) 1 cat Misu and 2 horses (Lipizzaner Maximus and Quarter Horse Houston)
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Wow, took me days to read thru these pages, but I have done it!!
Great thread hope to learn more!

Crazy Chicken Lady.. My kids were right about that!
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Crazy Chicken Lady.. My kids were right about that!
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Originally Posted by sabella 

I haven't read the whole thread yet and I certainly intend to.
We have a small farm (12 acres) in Ga. The goal is to raise 90% of our food in 5 years. This is our second year and the first producing out own food. I chose Marans as our main chicken. I had to have a good dual purpose breed that had a single comb because of the heat. The incredible eggs are a bonus. My flock is just beginning to lay and my rooster is a chunk. Around eight pounds at 5 months! I hope his sons are of equal proportions as they are for the table. We have recently added birds that are more single use. A few Easter Eggers and a breeding pair of Silver Spangled Hamburgs. The EEs are to cross to my Marans roo for Olive Eggers which I will selectively breed for dual use.


Marans get heavy pretty fast. Or at least my Ron Presley Lines do. I mean, they arn't no hybrid or production breed but I've been really impressed with their weight. Egg production on the other hand, not so much. Its fair with nice big chocolate eggs but I want categorize them as a homesteaders dream bird. Just to name a few good dual purpose breeds these would be Delawares, Speckled Sussex, Rhode Island Whites, Langshans, & Marraduna Basque. Any old lines of Rhode Island Reds would be ideal if you can find them. My orpington Hybrids I've been working on eat very little and bulk up pretty fast with good weight. And egg production has been excellant. Cornish of course and good Buckeyes bulk up nice but eat a fair amount but weight gain has been decent fast. I guess its all preference but when your homesteading for self preservation its good to have the best bang for your buck.Like I always say, pretty birds are fun but dual purpose breeds get it done.

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Originally Posted by Yellow House Farm 

Hmmm...so I was driving back from a visit with my God-son, and I was thinking about this thread.  I was feeling that I wasn't quite communicating what it was that I meant.  I knew I was talking about one breed and the need for the specialization, and yet I didn't want to alienate.  Then I had a bit of an a-ha moment.  Perhaps, I hadn't made it clear that our approach has a rather commercial bent, which changes the game plan.

The goal of our farm is to maintain a "closed flock", a flock that rarely, if ever, and then only judiciously brings in outside stock.  The reasons would be three with the first leading to the following two: genetic protection, flock health, product stability.

But first I should explain.  When your goal is for your own table, well then your table's law rules.  If you want four different fowls--great.  If you don't care about any of it and you just want a pretty sight, great.  If you want one fowl and consistency, that's cool.  However, when the majority of the meat you produce is destined for sale at market, things change.  When a customer tries your product and they like it, they want to return and buy it again, but they want the second to be like the first.  Customers want the dependability of consistent quality.
       It is a very strange sensation when you put that roaster down on the table in front of your customer.  There is silence; all  gimmick, all fanciful notions are gone.  They look at the presentation.  They see what they want, or they don't.  A heritage roaster is going for $5.99/lb.  That customer is about to give you over twenty dollar for that roaster.  Is is worth it?  You have 100 pounds of chicken to turn over that day, 75 pounds of duck, some turkey, some geese, 50 dozen chicken eggs, 35 dozen duck eggs, and then other product.  Customers are coming back, and they want the quality that you've delivered in the past.  They have guests coming on Saturday evening, and they've chosen your Heritage roaster as the centerpiece above the elk available two stalls down, the heritage beef staeks, the goat sausage, the locally caught lobster, the leg of lamb; your roaster's it, because they've tried it, loved it, and want to share the experience.  They buy it, take it home, defrost it, and what if it's not what they had expected.  Problem.
        It's on this level that farming can be different than homesteading.  You're about to slaughter 300 roasters that you need to sell at a profit.  If customers don't know what they're going to get when they visit your stall; they're quick to become gun shy.  If they get a Rock one time, a Dorking the next time, and a Cornish the third time, you'll quickly become "the neat little farm but you never really know what you're going to get."  We're all different, but that's not the marketing position I'd choose to hold.  Consistency is key.

       Here's where things get complicated.  Consistency in poultry is the fruit of directed effort in breeding.  The difficulty is by choosing to work with heritage poultry, one is choosing to work outside of the realm of hatchery consistency, which has been focused on the perfection of commercial crosses for decades now.  These crosses keep you dependent on the hatcheries, but they deliver.  They provide you with consistent quality, be it for eggs or for meat.  When you order their crosses, you get what you order.  With heritage fowl, it's more risky.  You order Dorkings; they grow with marked variability in weight, breadth, and depth.  You order White Wyandottes, many of which are deformed and unthrifty.  You order Australorps that lay very well, but the egg size is only medium.  You buy Columbian Wyandottes with a high percentage of crooked breast bones and small eggs.  You get some Anconas that have been bred indoors for too many generations and can't keep up with the cold.  You order Salmon Faverolles that turn out to be half Mahogany Faverolles.  Your Speckled Sussex are flat breasted.  Your Houdans are half way to being bantams....what's a farmer to do?  Well, use the factory crosses, of course....or......

        You decide what you're going for and what you need: levels of productivity, better for meat, better for eggs, rate of maturation, meat quality, foraging ability, historical or cultural significance.  You line them all up, and then you prioritize them.  You pick the breed that best meets your goals, and then you settle in to create your own consistency.  You recognize ahead of time that you need to be able to close your flock, which means you must have the level of biodiversity needed to be genetically self-sufficient.  You are about to put a lot of time into this investment.  Over time your stock is going to be exactly where you want it, where your clientele expects it to be.  The importantion of outside stock can throw your genetics for a loop and damage your business, undermining seasons of work.  New stock can introduce disease, as well.  On a homestead, you might see past these things, but on a farm they are moments of true anxiety.

        The kind of breeding that is necessary to do this requires focus on many details and requires a depth of selection.  I used to dream of doing it for several breeds, but as time slowly reveals the kind of commitment and effort that is needed to do this with even one breed, it makes two seem like a pretty steep climb and three would be daunting.  Sometimes, I wonder if I could put this much effort into the Dorkings, while also maintaing a couple of hobby lines in another breed or two, we'll see.


Excellent thread and excellent post.  Keep it up and I am enjoying this whole thread.  I am tyring to make a decision on what to concentrate on around here.  I do want somthing sustainable and good tasting meat for the table.  I have a broken ankle at this time so am sitting here with my foot propped up and reading thru tons of threads.

Living the good life with husband of 33 years, three grown, married children, 4 grandchildren.  And about 550 hostas.
Raising LF black javas,  BBS Marans and a few olive and easter eggers for a pretty egg basket.

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See why worming is so important:
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=7474233

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Living the good life with husband of 33 years, three grown, married children, 4 grandchildren.  And about 550 hostas.
Raising LF black javas,  BBS Marans and a few olive and easter eggers for a pretty egg basket.

Member of the APA.
See why worming is so important:
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=7474233

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post #519 of 928

Well, it looks like I got a start on Speckled Sussex.  I'm getting a dozen eggs from a breeder in Georgia with stock from the Garry Farm.  I don't know much about them, but the chickens they have look really great.  Well, I'll see how it goes.  One way or another (in the pen or in the pan!) I'll like 'em what ever they are like.  If I can get them to hatch that is.  Don't want to be counting so soon, you know.  big_smile

Speckled Sussex.  I have a link on my homepage to some pictures of them.
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Speckled Sussex.  I have a link on my homepage to some pictures of them.
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post #520 of 928

I hatched some of Nancy's Speckled Sussex eggs about 5 weeks ago. I don't claim to be any judge of poultry but I like them a lot, FWIW.

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