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Sweetgrass = Royal Palm x Bourbon Red cross??

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I've got an ad on craigslist to sell my Royal Palm breeders.  I've decided to just stick with my Bourbon Reds.  I just got a call from a guy who raises Sweetgrass turkeys and he was telling me that Sweetgrasses are nothing more than a cross between a Royal Palm and a Bourbon Red!?  Oh yeah???  Is that true?

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Living it up in western NC with 2 kids, a herd of Jersey cows, Guinea Hogs, Ancona ducks, Roman Crested geese, and a flock of Buff Orpingtons.
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Yes and no. You can make Sweetgrass/Calico turkeys using a Bourbon x Royal Palm cross. Most people won't know the difference and that's where a lot of the tri-colors come from.

But a first-generation cross isn't going to be a proper Variety as far as I'm concerned. A Sweetgrass is going to be a turkey that came from Sweetgrass and breeds true to Sweetgrass, including the proper shank color, _and_ falls within the standard range of weight for Sweetgrass.

Raising American Buff and Pilgrim Geese, Ancona, Harlequin, Rouen, Campbell, Saxony, and Buff ducks, Muscovies, Rosecomb Barred Rock, Blue Laced Red Wyandotte, Wheaten/Blue Ameraucana, and Red Ameraucana chickens, Blue/Royal Palm and Blue Slate turkeys, Jumbo Coturnix quail, Jumbo Ringneck Pheasants, Redclaw Lobsters, Blue Tilapia, and an assortment of show rabbits. Hatching eggs available.
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Raising American Buff and Pilgrim Geese, Ancona, Harlequin, Rouen, Campbell, Saxony, and Buff ducks, Muscovies, Rosecomb Barred Rock, Blue Laced Red Wyandotte, Wheaten/Blue Ameraucana, and Red Ameraucana chickens, Blue/Royal Palm and Blue Slate turkeys, Jumbo Coturnix quail, Jumbo Ringneck Pheasants, Redclaw Lobsters, Blue Tilapia, and an assortment of show rabbits. Hatching eggs available.
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post #3 of 8

does it matter what breed the tom and the
hen is? like with sexlink chickens.


Edited by gotturkey - 2/5/11 at 11:47am
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No, it doesn't. But what you are doing is crossing two colors and keeping back the poults that look like calicos. Not everythign that hatches out will look like a Sweetgrass. And just because you have two poults that look right doesn't mean that when you cross them together you'll get the right colored offspring.

Raising American Buff and Pilgrim Geese, Ancona, Harlequin, Rouen, Campbell, Saxony, and Buff ducks, Muscovies, Rosecomb Barred Rock, Blue Laced Red Wyandotte, Wheaten/Blue Ameraucana, and Red Ameraucana chickens, Blue/Royal Palm and Blue Slate turkeys, Jumbo Coturnix quail, Jumbo Ringneck Pheasants, Redclaw Lobsters, Blue Tilapia, and an assortment of show rabbits. Hatching eggs available.
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Raising American Buff and Pilgrim Geese, Ancona, Harlequin, Rouen, Campbell, Saxony, and Buff ducks, Muscovies, Rosecomb Barred Rock, Blue Laced Red Wyandotte, Wheaten/Blue Ameraucana, and Red Ameraucana chickens, Blue/Royal Palm and Blue Slate turkeys, Jumbo Coturnix quail, Jumbo Ringneck Pheasants, Redclaw Lobsters, Blue Tilapia, and an assortment of show rabbits. Hatching eggs available.
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post #5 of 8

Google Porter Turkeys, they have many color varieties and excellent photos of each along with info on the genetics of them,

I think that the Sweetgrass is a very attractive variety.

Icelandics,brought to Iceland by Vikings in the 9th century, winterhardy, freeranging, an ancient homestead breed that broods, a steady producer of white eggs.Very variable in color,  comb style  and feathering. Like Forest Gumps box of Chocolates, 'You never know what you are going to get". Heritage Homestead Chicken by 1,000 years of survival selection !
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Icelandics,brought to Iceland by Vikings in the 9th century, winterhardy, freeranging, an ancient homestead breed that broods, a steady producer of white eggs.Very variable in color,  comb style  and feathering. Like Forest Gumps box of Chocolates, 'You never know what you are going to get". Heritage Homestead Chicken by 1,000 years of survival selection !
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post #6 of 8

There is no red gene in a Sweetgrass. A Sweetgrass has two Blackwing bronze genes and two Grey (Palm) genes. It gets one gene from each parent.
You will not get a blackwing bronze gene or a grey (palm) gene from a Bourbon Red. Bourbon Reds have two wild bronze genes that are domant to blackwing bronze. And two red gene

post #7 of 8

When you cross a royal palm and a bourbon red, you get a pretty interesting bird.  It looks like a red bronze, but has reccessive black-wing, narragansett, and palm genes.  When you cross these offspring back to other birds with the same genes, you can get sweetgrass.  But you will get lots of other stuff as well.

Chickens were fun...until I got turkeys!
Narragansetts, Golden Narragnasetts, Royal Palms, Calico, Standard Bronze, Red Bronze, (and a few BB Bronze..but don't tell anyone!)
Mixed flock of laying hens
Mixed-stock pigs

Two-many horses

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Chickens were fun...until I got turkeys!
Narragansetts, Golden Narragnasetts, Royal Palms, Calico, Standard Bronze, Red Bronze, (and a few BB Bronze..but don't tell anyone!)
Mixed flock of laying hens
Mixed-stock pigs

Two-many horses

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post #8 of 8

there is no bourbon red gene
in sweetgrass turkeys they have royal palm genes
   and black wing bronze genes
   you can see at porterturkeys .com
   what genes they have
   have a great weekend


Edited by turkeybreeder - 2/12/11 at 6:41pm
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