Crele orpington project.....

The Moonshiner said:

Crele has nothing to do with OEGB per say. Crele is just a pattern it can be on any bird that has the right genes. Breed is irrelevant.
True crele is barred red duckwing which BBR are red duckwing.
Duckwing is the key to crele along with barring.
Gold duckwing with barring is golden crele. Silver duckwing with barring is silver crele, etc. etc.

There are some breeds that use barring on partridge. Although they are not "true" crele some have excepted them as since partridge and duckwing are very similar. Almost exact with the males.
Both e locus are the chipmunk striped chicks which is what they have to be to be crele.
None of the breeds in your crosses carry duckwing or partridge which is why they are not crele or will ever produce crele without bringing in another breed.
Genes make the pattern and without the genes it simply isn't correct for the pattern.

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The Moonshiner said:

Another note about crele that IDK if has been mentioned is that the crele pattern is an autosexing pattern.
That's another reason the pattern has to be the right genetic combination.
You need sex linked barring (two copies for the males and one for the females) on the striped chick down of wild type e+.

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The Moonshiner said:

No. No crele chick would ever be black.
If someone is working on making crele they may cross a barred bird to a duckwing and the first generation would be black and barred but at that stage it would still be considered a project not a crele.
The problem with yours as a project is you aren't introducing any duckwing genes into the mix and you're bringing in a lot of unwanted genes in.
You would have to breed a lot of genes out and breed duckwing in to get crele.
You are not using the correct birds to ever get crele. That's the point you're missing.

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