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I have some Wood Duck eggs  in the incubator.Mother abandoned the nest.

Questions:
1.I plan on raising these myself.Getting them really tame so they like me.Well will it  hurt them to be housed in a raised pen with about 8 bantam chickens??It will be good sized pen with plenty of roosts and a little black tub for a pond.Iv'e seen pictures.

2.Then when they start laying eggs, can I let the Duck Female hatch some and let the Bantam Hen hatch some.??

3.Also if the Bantam Chicken  Hen raises them(they will be free range during  the day  and  shut  in  at  night), will the  babies learn to go  into the pen every  night  when  their  adults if they do it  when  there  ducklings?

4.When  the hen  is  done raising them, they  will  still  be  free ranging,  will the  ducks  stay  around? Theres  a little  creek  about  20   feet  away from  the  pen  were  they will be  housed....I  don't want to  clip their  wings... I want them  to be able  to fly  away  from predators if  need  be.. Is it  OK if  they continue to free range. I  mean,  they  would  have  been  housed  there all  their  life  and thats where  they will get  fed  and  waterered  at..  They should  stick around right?

5.Do I  need  a  permit to sell them if I  ever wanted  to?  Do I need  a permit  to  raise  them  for  that  matter?

Ok  im  sure  ill have  more  questions  but until  then.. could  I get some  answers  to  these please?? Im  asking  the  same questions about the Mandarins  and  Wood  Ducks.

Thanks,
Lcw1995

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I don't know about the raising them with the chickens thing, thats got to be answered by someone else, I know you can let the bantam hatch 'em but will probably need to be removed and put in an brooder because they can slip through the tiniest holes and escape. as far as free ranging them, some people do it but they have their wings clipped. And they will be in the creek 24/7 and eventually probably fly away  if they are from wild parents. As far as selling, thats going to be a big illegal on that if you didn't get the 3-186 form. To sell/dispose of migratory waterfowl you have to have a federal migratory bird waterfowl sell and disposal permit thats $70 or $75 and to have migratory birds legally you should buy them from a person with a permit that provides you with the proper 3-186 form stating that you bought them legally.


Edited by KansasKid - 5/17/11 at 7:28pm
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KK is correct on all that. The mandarins do not need a permit. The wood ducks and all migratory north american species do. You have to have the 3-186 form to legally own them to start with, to sell you need the USDI  waterfowl permit them mentioned.

Bantam hatching is great, leaving them with the bantams to raise. That aint gone happen. They die eventually. They will need to be brooder raised. Chickens and any game bird shouldnt be kept together for disease reasons too.
Wood duck and mandarin are the flightiest of all migratory waterfowl. Though you can keep them in cages, they will eventually beat themselves to death in them trying to get away from you. Very very few ever tame down to "pet"  likeness. They are 100% nothing like domestic ducks. You can not free range them un pinioned. 1 it's illegal, 2 they'll just fly away. As for them laying in a cage, they wont do that. These guys need a nice large pen, with heavy cover, ponds and nesting boxes raised off the ground before they will even consider nesting. They are very wary and like to be secluded when breeding and laying. So if those  aspects arent met, they'll just pass their life away wanting out.

a decent 10x 10 minimum 10x 20 preferred pen on the ground with a pond, heavy cover and a few raised wood duck boxes is the ideal pen for them. They will be much happier, and usually produce for you.

I know these probably werent the answers you wanted, but they are the truth about the species.

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I hate to be 'that girl' but just for clarity, are these eggs from a WILD wood duck or a CAPTIVE wood duck?

If they're from a wild wood duck you're breaking U.S. federal law and should a) throw the eggs away hit or b) bring them to a licensed wildlife professional.  Wild birds abandon nests all the time, that's just part of life.  As sad as it is you can't take wild bird eggs, regardless of the status of the nest.

If they're from captive ducks you'll need paperwork that shows that someone legally keeping wood ducks gave you the eggs.  Without it you won't be able to get your own permit and you're likely to have game wardens knocking on your door.  old

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post #5 of 12

I do not know when you posted these questions but these are the same questoins I have been dealing with for the past few weeks.

They do say wood duck will breed with mandarine hens and other hens and inbreed will have infirtile eggs.

 

let me read about other answers about licensing to raise them and other questions you asked. However, federal law does not require you to have permits to have migratory water fowl if they are reared domestically but local and state laws are different. I wish I can speak to you in person about these issues.

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HI, I have been mulling over many issues about keeping or even think about wood ducks.

Here is the website that expleain FDA's rule about keeping migratory birds.

http://www.fws.gov/forms/3-200-9.pdf

 

Accoring to this site, a person must have 3.-186 form ( proof of purchase showing that someone got these birds that are reared domestically and not just caught in the wild ). However, if you do not plan to sell incubated eggs and babies, then to rear them  domestically in a beautiful place, do you stil need to have permit taken that you purchased it from a licensed person? I was told by region -3 officer that hobbists  can keep them but I may be wrong. Here is what FDA web site states on migratory waterfowl. However,  someone must meet local and state laws about keeping water fowls. It varies from state to sate. Here in Ohio an office told me that even for mallards people need a permit but Medina Tractor supply stated that they sell 1000's mallards babies every year and they do not issue permits when they sell them. They also said that is unheard of.

 

 

Law:

 

A Federal Migratory Bird Waterfowl Sale and Disposal permit will authorize you to sell, donate, or otherwise dispose of to another person, properly marked, captive-reared migratory waterfowl and their eggs. A permit is not required to sell or dispose of properly marked, captive-reared mallards. You should review Title 50 Parts 10, 13, and 21.25 of the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR). You are responsible for reviewing and understanding these regulations before you request and accept a permit. These regulations can be found on our website at: http://www.fws.gov/permits/ltr/ltr.html. Below is a review of several sections pertinent to a Federal Migratory Bird Waterfowl Sale and Disposal permit.

1. Do I need a permit to possess captive-reared migratory waterfowl?

No. Any person may, without a permit, lawfully acquire properly marked, captive-reared migratory waterfowl of any species, alive or dead, or their eggs, and possess and transport such birds or eggs and any progeny or eggs solely for his own use, subject to the following conditions:

(a) Such birds, alive or dead, or their eggs may be lawfully acquired from holders of valid Waterfowl Sale and Disposal permits.

(b) All progeny of such birds or eggs hatched, reared, and retained in captivity must be physically marked as defined in 21.13(b). (Also see question 3 below.)

(c) No birds or eggs or progeny may be disposed of by any means, alive or dead, to any other person unless you have a valid Waterfowl Sale and Disposal permit.

(d) Lawfully possessed and properly marked waterfowl may be killed, in any number, at any time or place, by any means except shooting. Such birds may be killed by shooting only in accordance with all applicable hunting regulations.

(e) When you acquire any waterfowl, alive or dead, from a Waterfowl Sale and Disposal permittee, the permittee must give you the original of the completed Form 3-186, Notice of Waterfowl Transfer or Sale, providing all information required by the form and method or methods by which individual birds are marked

 

So what do hobbists supposed to do if they obtain these wood duck ligally to rear them if they purchased it from a licensed person?

post #7 of 12
When you buy wood ducks or other migratory ducks the seller gives you the 3-186 form. That is yours to retain as proof the birds were not taken from the wild. Most states will want to see this form as you apply for your required state permit to keep the migratory waterfowl.

Mandarins are not migratory waterfowl, and do not require the 3-186, some states do require you to have a permit to keep them, though.


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post #8 of 12

In state of Ohio's migratory law, in the game bird section, mandarines are not listed.

Also, I got a male wood duck and the gentleman by mistake has given me a female mandarine.

 

Instead of giving me a 3.-186, he wrote down his license number and what he sold on a piece of paper. 

If push come to sub, I can produce that to the state since the mand is not very organized. Also, I may get rid of the wood duck on

monday since i do not want to deal with this in my back yard at all. There are other nice ducks such as blue wind teal or green wing teal

that are colorful. Hobby does not need to turn into nightmare since I have no intention of breeding or selling them.

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Lotus in 2012 206.JPGI received their application and it says, the definition of " game birds" which include many things but they did not specifically stated anything about wood duck or mallards but gave a term call duck. They did specify though game bird include "morning dove, ring neck, pheasants, quil, ruffed grouse, shapr-tail grouse, pintailed -gouse, wild turkey, Hungarian partridge, Chukar Partridge, Woodcocks, black-breasted piover, Golden plover, Wilson's snipe or jackstripe , yellowlegs, rail coots, gallinules, duck, geese , brand and crows. Now someone may just elaborate duck as various ducks...

 

 

Not worth my time and effort since I tend to spend tons of money buying Mazula food, game bird food, cracked corn, give them expensive frsh salads and meal worms where as I see in the city of Cleveland, ( which I live about 22 minutes out side of the city with 3.46 acre land people are raising birds in postage size lot with no lush greeneries or a pond where birds go to sleep peacefully

 

2nd lotues is about to bloom,. first buds opens up and then it goes through two days of process to havea full bloom lotus.

 

 

Not worth my time and effort since I tend to spend tons of money buying Mazula food, game bird food, cracked corn, give them expensive frsh salads and meal worms where as I see in the city of Cleveland,  ( which I live about 22 minutes out side of the city with 3.46 acre land people are raising birds in postage size lot with no lush greeneries or a pond where birds go to sleep peacefully

 

 

Lotus in 2012 232.JPG

 

Lotus in 2012 217.JPG

 

bloomed lotus

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post #10 of 12

Yes, I am aware of this 3-186 if you read my other posts.

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