Originally Posted by pinkwindsong
wht does it mean to Dub a chicken and why would you do it?? somethign about taking their wattles and combs off... why???
I think Pele gave basicaly all the answers, I would like to add however the fact that in areas infected with mosquitoes, the comb could represent a bridge for sickness to the bird as I have already experienced. I would like to enfacice the fact that for us who free range for part of the day, a dubed comb is a most in orther to give the bird a much verer panoramic vew of the suroundings against predators. And the one reason that many sometimes feel afraid to talk about; Show purposes. I would like to acnowledge, that what I'm about to discuse now is just something that I feel I need to express my self about and I'm not picking on anibody, we are among friends here and inteligent people. The standards of certain birds like American Games, call for the cock to be dubed at one year, and when we say that, with all respect, we tend to say it some times like if it is the fault of the breed organisation who make the rules; my friends, we the fanciers are the reason for the organisation standards. we the fanciers prefere to have our cocks dubed not only because all of the good reasons mentioned by Pele, but also because we feel and is our personal opinion that gamecocks look much more handsome dubed and in accordance with their proud personality, we like it that way and is also our right to act acordingly. I'm also of the oppinion than certain breeds have awesome combs, including american games and we respect the oppinions of them who would preffere not to dub. I've heard sometimes coments of not dubbing advocates, as if they would like to change certain rules of show to satisfie their oppinion as to what they feel is right. I feel oppinions shoul be respected, not tried to shange; for example, if you feel you want to show your american games with comb, do the same that us who prefere to dub have done, that is, get together, and create your own organitation of combed gamecocks. I'll be the first one to show mine with comb with you and them, as soon as I finish there, go ahead and dube them and show them again how I realy like it, among them who preffere to dube as I'm one of them. As to dubbing been inhumane, I have to totaly desagree with such statement. In the first place, dubbing is a good husbandry practice for all the practical reasons already mentioned. When it comes to looks, is also acceptable. Dubing do not cause any trauma to the chicken or health problems to its long termn existance, is a very fast process and healing is astonishingly quick with out even living scars. Is very veneficial to the bird in many ways. On the other hand, animal psicohology is totaly different in many ways to that of humans. You can not aply certain human feelings to animals simply because they just dont aplay. For example: Humans loose an ear, and they become so petifull about it that it will cause them serious psicological traumas in some cases. A cock or a dog is not self concerned about their look, so, they would not care if he still hava its comb and watles or not, or if a peace of ear or tail is missing. Firstly the missing of this body parts will not afect the animals health or ability to performe their daily business and second, they dont care if they have it or not, so why should we be over concerned with this ? It is ironic sometimes how certain good concerned citicens that are against the practice of dubbing, ducking and crooping, are also strong supporters of the practice of neutering and spaying. Wile dubing, ducking and crooping will not afect the animals health in any way, the practice of neutering and spaying, however, becomes responsable for the lack of important hormonal functions with in the animals body that end up as I have seen many times, in serious health problems like ovesity for example. My friends, I'm a strong veliver of the idea of living and letting others live.
Sometimes I feel we get to passionate about our oppinions to the point of loosing a little of reason and, with all respect, falling into ciliness.
Wen talking about inhumane, I'll tell you what I velieve is inhumane from the buttom of my hart. I velieve to be inhumane that in years to come I have the police bringing my front door down with guns in hands, endangering my hole familly as to if they were coming after a very dangerous criminal, because a neigbore reported me dubbing a comb, putting a chicken comb value over that of the safety and life of a human been. That I think, will be a very sad day in the history of this country and I hope I never see it come.
My regards to every one who have participated here and my respects for everyones oppinions