Thanks for the words of encouragement and for your support for the Seney breed.
I had stated that there were three others with these, but the fact is that there may be more now. They were a hit at a country fair and the guy that showed them might have already provided some people with some. Hopefully we will be able to coordinate a meeting with the people that have them this summer to go over breeding plans and requirements.
I personally don’t know how many are going to be available this year from anybody. I guess a couple of people think we are trying to get rich on them. That’s a joke. As I said before, I don’t know anybody who has gotten rich selling this type of poultry. We all lose money. I don’t know if I will be selling any myself, but that remains to be seen if I even have the time to try. That is the biggest hurdle to get over for most of us. I don’t know about others with Seneys, but I am not going to spend a whole day crating up 3 birds for a total of $15. It’s just not going to happen.
On another note, I saw some constructive criticism in this thread and appreciate it. There was a lot of sense in what was said. And I am glad you liked the little story.
Unfortunately, all boards have people that berate others when they really don’t understand things. It doesn’t bother me. I sometimes feel sorry for them. Most of the time it is water off a duck’s back. But it is nice to see support, especially from others that have been berated themselves.
In regards to colors and shades, all breeds generate different shades. All you have to do is to read F. P. Jeffrey’s book “Bantam Chickens” and you will see that scientists have found many heterozygous pairs of alleles on chromosomes that one would surely think would be homozygous on a “Pure Breed.” They split them off to study their effects. In-fact, ALL of the “pure breeds” in the world are not “Pure.” A new breed and/or color can be derived from any given set of pure bred chickens.
Don’t get me wrong, breeders of “pure breds” preserve alleles and I believe that is their best function. If everybody tried to make a new breed there would be total chaos. But to bash somebody for being a maverick and taking the chicken genome where others fear to go is ridiculous. If we lose every person that can do this, we are doomed to only having what others have created many years ago. If somebody is smart enough to learn the chicken genome well enough to be able to create new breed, that is marvelous. It is a service to everyone.
With that said, the show birds that make the cut from one’s flock to be shown are selected to match the Standard as close as can be. But even that can be bogus. I have been to large shows where birds were the total wrong color and got placed. One judge didn’t even know the difference between an Araucana and an Ameraucana. He and I nearly got into an argument over it. In the end, he gave out a first place award for an Araucana to an Ameraucana. Sometimes you just can’t convince people who “think” they know everything. Being a judge doesn’t make you a god. Again, the fact of the matter is, if there was a “Standard” for one particular color of Seney, the breeders going to shows would do exactly like the other breeders do; pick out the best birds that match as close to the standard as possible. The other chickens within that “breed” where their color is “slightly off” the Standard all stay home in the pens right next to the ones taken to the show.
Back to colors. First of all, a color does not define a “breed.” A breed can come in many colors. Take Dutch Bantams for instance. They come in a variety of colors. But they are all Dutch IF they adhere to type. This is very important. The Seney Breed was developed to define a new “type.” Perfecting a color is for breeders who want to focus on just one color and bang at it until they can get a few that “might” win at a show. Hopefully there will be more breeders that will do this with the Seneys. The Seney does come in defined colors. The Wheaten and the Mille Fleur are examples. There have been other colors that were perfected, but were dropped.
Obviously to get into the SOP, somebody is going to have to put a stake in the ground and focus on one of the colors available. And yes, the comb will have to be defined as pea or single to get listed in the book. But there can be pea combed Seneys and Single combed Seneys just like there are rose combed breeds and single combed birds in the same breed. But what we have here is an opportunity for people to choose which combs they like. We have seen it even in this thread that some prefer single over pea and vice versa. Eventually one of the two combs will be selected for the SOP listing. But that doesn’t mean that the other comb styled Seneys are not part of the breed. Perfecting a comb style between pea or single is a piece of cake, btw.
Will the Seney chicken make it into the SOP. Maybe, maybe not. But at the end of the day it will remain to be a breed; regardless if there are a few people who will never accept it.
In regards to money; I wanted these birds. That is the bottom line. I don’t own a Porsche, but I have my Seneys. Life is good for me.
What I am looking forward to this year is to see how the other Seney breeder with Porcelain project birds make out. They have all mahogany based ones and I have one mahogany based male and a couple of Mille Fleur based ones. I can’t wait to see which ones look the best for Porcelain!
It has been an interesting read and thank you all for participating and showing an interest in the Seney breed.