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Oriental Gamefowl Thread! - Page 557post #5562 of 608612/26/15 at 3:09pmpost #5563 of 608612/26/15 at 7:03pm
When we are looking at legs, the primary thing we are looking for is square shanks. Scale reading is a different matter, and is an art in and of itself. (That I know nothing about.) All angles of the leg are looked at, particular attention is given to front scale just above the toes and the scales on the outside of the leg. Good scale readers can look at each others birds and determine which would win an hypothetical match without even turning them loose from what I understand. Don't know if it is all that precise, but the people that do it have certainly been doing it for a very long time. Interesting part of our birds, though.post #5564 of 608612/26/15 at 8:36pmNO DISRESPECT INTENDED.they used to claim to be able to read bumps on people's head. I'm not buying into the concept that you can predict a birds ability from looking at its leg shape.
It's interesting though.
I often have stray thoughts that force me to try and find answers to( I'm bipolar with OCD) I've read countless articles and research papers over poultry genetics. One of the few things that I understand 100% is when they say they DON'T know WHY something occurs.
My question on the scales Is more towards, (1) are they supposed to be a set number? (2)Is the number an indication of strain purity or cross
(3) why am I suddenly obsessed with how many rows of scales my chickens have?!?
Ridgerunner you are a fount of knowledge,and I appreciate your input!
I look at "Lucky" there is no outward sign (to me) of the crazy aggressive nature of this bird. Through reading about how the breed (asil) was selectively bred, I get it....in theory
Me personally,I like to see two rooster s decide who is top dog..errr,chicken.lol If I had not seen it with my own eyes with LUCKY,I would never have believed that a rooster would attack any and everything he is a regular little sociopath. I'm wondering if the Saipans will be of the same nature??how many scales are they supposed to have? what about the Cornish,the JG,what does the extra toe on the Dorkings MEAN??Aaaaaaarrrrrgggg!!post #5565 of 608612/26/15 at 8:44pmpost #5566 of 608612/26/15 at 8:49pmpost #5567 of 608612/26/15 at 8:54pmpost #5568 of 608612/26/15 at 9:38pm
The old masters, to whom we are indebted for our fowl, saw fit to hold certain traits as desirable. First and foremost, I think everyone would agree that Asil shanks should be square, that is, flat on the front. This is a sign of purity and good breeding. The scales themselves are more of a Vietnamese, Thai, Laotian thing. Different scales mean different things for different lines. Different scales generally show various attributes, speed, strength, accuracy. It might well be no more than palm reading, but I have heard of people being incredibly accurate in the prediction of a cocks performance using these ancient methods. If you are going to keep Oriental fowl, you definitely owe it to yourself to at least familiarize yourself with some of the concepts that have surrounded their keeping for many years. I cannot speak for what is desirable scale for the Saipan, even if the Saipan was not a hatchery throw together, that is something you would have to take up with a long time Saipan breeder, and good luck finding one of those.
I know very little about scale reading, most that know the most, probably wouldn't be able to articulate it on here, between language barriers and the scope of the discussion. I do know that one pattern is 'Doc Bein', this is a line of single scales, small and round, down the outside of leg, instead of three rows a single row. Supposed to be a special bird. Split scales on the prop toe is supposed to be good. Solid scales on the front level with the spur is supposed to mean power, small scales sandwiched in between two others at the same place is a sign of accuracy, but more so if in a row of three.
It is undeniable that certain attributes go along with certain, possibly unseen, traits, spring of rib, shape of bone, in every thing from racehorses to dairy cows. If we don't use some of this for the original purpose of the fowl, we can at the very least use some of these traits as signs of purity.post #5569 of 608612/27/15 at 3:57ampost #5570 of 608612/27/15 at 7:01am
You would probably have to have a very pure line of birds and be very familiar with those birds for scale reading to work at all. And then it wouldn't be a guarantee. There are a lot more things that people should use to pick their birds for breeding etc. before using scale reading, IMO.
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