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Hey, all. I have a question for gamefowl breeders out there. I once read that the extremely rare Kraienkoppe chicken (which originated in Germany) has as its primary ancestors the Leghorn and the Malay. I was wondering if it would be possible to recreate a new strain of Kraienkoppe by crossing a Leghorn with a Malay.
I have heard that walnut combs like those seen on the Malay will dominate the single combs seen on Leghorns in the offspring of a walnut x single combed chicken. Is that true? If so, than the Kraienkoppe's walnut comb would definitely be dominant.
For those of you who don't know, the Kraienkoppe is a medium/small chicken with an erect posture favoring its Malay ancestry, but with a longer back and shorter neck favoring its Leghorn ancestry. It has a relatively large tail, similar to an American Gamefowl, and it has a walnut comb and shorter beak. If you want good pics, you can Google this breed, but you can also go to IDEAL Poultry Hatchery's website for a painting (though not near as perfect as what they sell) or you can visit Feathersite and see Barry's photos. Unfortunately, I know of no serious breeder here in the USA who offers them.
I realize that Leghorns and Malays were probably not the only breeds used in the genesis of the Kraienkoppe, but they were the main breeds, so I hear. Please give me your professional opinion on this. Even if I don't get perfect Kraienkoppes, all I want to know is whether or not you guys think it would be a good start. I assume that an Old English Large Fowl Game could accurately complete the ancestry, but because the Kraienkoppe is so unfortunately rare, I know not whether the OEG was used in its production.

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post #2 of 49

Just my two cents. If you dont acquire true 'Kraienkoppes', trying to recreate them without any kraienkoppe blood will only give you that, recreations or imitations.

Reza Asil gamefowl

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post #3 of 49

i have two Kraienkoppe hens i just need to find a stag to put with them . anybody have any ideas ?

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Originally Posted by Gresh 

Hey, all. I have a question for gamefowl breeders out there. I once read that the extremely rare Kraienkoppe chicken (which originated in Germany) has as its primary ancestors the Leghorn and the Malay. I was wondering if it would be possible to recreate a new strain of Kraienkoppe by crossing a Leghorn with a Malay.
I have heard that walnut combs like those seen on the Malay will dominate the single combs seen on Leghorns in the offspring of a walnut x single combed chicken. Is that true? If so, than the Kraienkoppe's walnut comb would definitely be dominant.
For those of you who don't know, the Kraienkoppe is a medium/small chicken with an erect posture favoring its Malay ancestry, but with a longer back and shorter neck favoring its Leghorn ancestry. It has a relatively large tail, similar to an American Gamefowl, and it has a walnut comb and shorter beak. If you want good pics, you can Google this breed, but you can also go to IDEAL Poultry Hatchery's website for a painting (though not near as perfect as what they sell) or you can visit Feathersite and see Barry's photos. Unfortunately, I know of no serious breeder here in the USA who offers them.
I realize that Leghorns and Malays were probably not the only breeds used in the genesis of the Kraienkoppe, but they were the main breeds, so I hear. Please give me your professional opinion on this. Even if I don't get perfect Kraienkoppes, all I want to know is whether or not you guys think it would be a good start. I assume that an Old English Large Fowl Game could accurately complete the ancestry, but because the Kraienkoppe is so unfortunately rare, I know not whether the OEG was used in its production.

Blessings,

" The great thing about not telling a lie . is you don't have to remember what you said!"          If i must choose to make a dollar or a friend , I will choose the friend every time . " JP"  My mentor        Home of  "West Slope Seramas"

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post #4 of 49

Did you see if it is included in the sppa listing?

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Winner, Marans Chicken Club USA Egg contest Jan. 2013 Northeast Poultry Congress. My girls rock!

 

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post #5 of 49

Here is some information I found on them.
The Kraienköppe was developed around 1850 from crosses between Belgium Game, Malay, Old English Game and Twents/Drents landfowl. This period the breed was called Biethaon (biting fowl). The name Kraienkoppe comes from their loud crow (' kraaien' in Dutch). When games and exhibition interests became less interesting they decided to increase the egg production by crossing Leghorns into them.

(Above information is from ultimatefowl)


Chris

 

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Society for the Preservation of Poultry Antiquities http://sppa.webs.com/

Breeding Large Fowl Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds to APA Standard


"I know of no pursuit in which more real and important services can be rendered to any country than by improving its agriculture, its breed of useful animals, and other branches of a husbandman's cares." – 

George Washington

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http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/80140_dscn7678.jpg  http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/80140_dscn7680.jpg  http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/80140_dscn7676.jpg they are still young about seven months . but they will bite anything that moves and they fly great very long leged . i'm really likeing them so far also very friendly breed . probley not the best but its a start these are my two Kraienkoppe pullets . they are defined oriental heritage breed i think ? any info or help is great thank you .

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post #7 of 49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stoopid 

Did you see if it is included in the sppa listing?


This may sound dumb, but what is the SPPA? All that I know is that the Kraienkoppe is not recognized by the APA or ABA. It is almost strictly a German-Dutch breed, almost exclusively bred in Germany and the Netherlands, and promoted by only a couple of people here on the forum.

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~Jesus Christ is my Savior~

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post #8 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gresh 
Quote:
Originally Posted by stoopid 

Did you see if it is included in the sppa listing?


This may sound dumb, but what is the SPPA? All that I know is that the Kraienkoppe is not recognized by the APA or ABA. It is almost strictly a German-Dutch breed, almost exclusively bred in Germany and the Netherlands, and promoted by only a couple of people here on the forum.


Society for the Preservation of Poultry Antiquities. Google it. Our very own saladin is the Secretary Treasurer........Pop

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In God We Trust

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post #9 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gresh 
Quote:
Originally Posted by stoopid 

Did you see if it is included in the sppa listing?


This may sound dumb, but what is the SPPA? All that I know is that the Kraienkoppe is not recognized by the APA or ABA. It is almost strictly a German-Dutch breed, almost exclusively bred in Germany and the Netherlands, and promoted by only a couple of people here on the forum.


SPPA is the Society for the Preservation of Poultry Antiquities   (click here)

Chris


Edited by Chris09 - 10/3/11 at 5:52pm

 

NPIP # 31-516
Society for the Preservation of Poultry Antiquities http://sppa.webs.com/

Breeding Large Fowl Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds to APA Standard


"I know of no pursuit in which more real and important services can be rendered to any country than by improving its agriculture, its breed of useful animals, and other branches of a husbandman's cares." – 

George Washington

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NPIP # 31-516
Society for the Preservation of Poultry Antiquities http://sppa.webs.com/

Breeding Large Fowl Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds to APA Standard


"I know of no pursuit in which more real and important services can be rendered to any country than by improving its agriculture, its breed of useful animals, and other branches of a husbandman's cares." – 

George Washington

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post #10 of 49
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Originally Posted by Lollipop 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gresh 
Quote:
Originally Posted by stoopid 

Did you see if it is included in the sppa listing?


This may sound dumb, but what is the SPPA? All that I know is that the Kraienkoppe is not recognized by the APA or ABA. It is almost strictly a German-Dutch breed, almost exclusively bred in Germany and the Netherlands, and promoted by only a couple of people here on the forum.


Society for the Preservation of Poultry Antiquities. Google it. Our very own saladin is the Secretary Treasurer........Pop


You beat me to it pop's lol

Chris

 

NPIP # 31-516
Society for the Preservation of Poultry Antiquities http://sppa.webs.com/

Breeding Large Fowl Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds to APA Standard


"I know of no pursuit in which more real and important services can be rendered to any country than by improving its agriculture, its breed of useful animals, and other branches of a husbandman's cares." – 

George Washington

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NPIP # 31-516
Society for the Preservation of Poultry Antiquities http://sppa.webs.com/

Breeding Large Fowl Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds to APA Standard


"I know of no pursuit in which more real and important services can be rendered to any country than by improving its agriculture, its breed of useful animals, and other branches of a husbandman's cares." – 

George Washington

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