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post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by silkielover5 
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Originally Posted by ChobeeChickenMommy 

Oh ok. Thank you. I didn't realize that. Thanks for explaining it!! I appreciate it!! clap So no matter what I breed w/ my whites, I'm going to get white, right? I am really trying to make sure I understand this correctly, because we want to start breeding for my son to get ready for 4H next year...


no cause if you breed white and black you get paint which is white with black spots and i have blue white cross chicks right now and they are blue with random white feathers


Black x white does not give you paint. It is not that easy. They would have been around long before now and everyone would have them.

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post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by joe17 
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Originally Posted by silkielover5 
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Originally Posted by ChobeeChickenMommy 

Oh ok. Thank you. I didn't realize that. Thanks for explaining it!! I appreciate it!! clap So no matter what I breed w/ my whites, I'm going to get white, right? I am really trying to make sure I understand this correctly, because we want to start breeding for my son to get ready for 4H next year...


no cause if you breed white and black you get paint which is white with black spots and i have blue white cross chicks right now and they are blue with random white feathers


Black x white does not give you paint. It is not that easy. They would have been around long before now and everyone would have them.


It would only be possible if underneath the "white" the white bird also carried the genes that are responsible for "paint", and if those genes worked when paired to a splash. Since you don't know what other genes the white silkies have just by looking at them, you can't really say that a white X splash will ALWAYS give you anything. It all depends on what's going on "under the white."

Also, I don't know if white in silkies is dominant or recessive, and if the dominant is complete or incomplete (silkie breeders will know better than I do here). I've also seen mention that some white silkies carry the silver gene, which adds to the "starkness" of their white (i.e., they don't "yellow" like some other whites).

If white silkies are due to a recessive white, then all offspring from white X splash will be the same as if whatever is "under the white" was crossed with splash.

If white is due to a complete dominant gene, then all offspring from white X splash will be white....unless, of course, the white hen has only one copy of the white gene, and then half will be whatever is "under the white" X splash would be.

If white is due to an incomplete dominant gene, then all offspring from white X splash will have at least some white feathers, but also feathers of other colors. What those colors would be would depend on what colors were "under the white", and whether they are dominant or recessive to the black in the splash, and then how they'd be modified (if at all) by the one copy of andalusian blue they'd inherit from the splash roo.

These are the possibilities I can think of, and as you can see, there really is no "answer" to the question because of all the variables involved. I guess you'll have the answer when you see what chicks you get, but again, that will just be the case for YOUR white hen. Another white hen could have another set of colors "under the white" and give a whole different range of answers.

Silkie breeders working on whites aren't that concerned with what's "under the white" because, for the most part, it doesn't affect the bird being white. So imagine someone taking all colors of silkies (except white) and letting them breed wiilly-nilly. There'd be all kinds of weird blends, patterns and shades. Now, introduce the "white tablecloth" gene. All is covered, and all the birds are white, with who-knows-what going on underneath. And that's what you get when you have a white silkie. It makes the breeders' jobs a little easier, since they don't have to worry about pattern or color meeting the standard. And this is why the white silkies tend to have the best type -- breeders can pair birds based just on type, and not worry too much about color, because of the "white tablecloth" gene.

Sorry I couldn't give a definitive answer...but I felt the need to explain WHY I couldn't.

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post #13 of 19
Don't know if anyone is still following this. But, I have a White Jersey Giant that I will pair with a splash hen. Any ideas on color outcomes? The white Jersey Giant is dominant white.
post #14 of 19

Purebred White Jersey Giants are actually recessive white. The dilute gene for black/blue/splash is a dominant gene.

post #15 of 19
Oops. Thanks. So breeding to the splash hen should result in some black chicks?
That's what I'm hoping for anyway. Any more insight is greatly appreciated
post #16 of 19

A splash should produce 100% blue chicks. A splash has two dilute genes for black, so each chick will get one copy of the gene, resulting in all blue chicks, no black.

post #17 of 19
Thanks!lol Guess I will be ordering a Black rooster come spring:)
post #18 of 19
That question has been driving me crazy for over a month. smile.png
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