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i've always thought (mainly because i've always been told) you shouldn't breed hatch mates.  however, i read on here all the time where people get hatching eggs and then breed the chickens they hatch.  is this because there was genetic differences in the parent stock?  or have i been told/thinking in an incorrect way all this time?  how are y'all keeping your specific breed flock going?

post #2 of 24

One thing to think about.............

When ordering hatching eggs, it is very probable that they are gathered from more than one hen.

The father may be the same, but odds are relatively good that you will get different mother lines.



Then again, I may be wrong.

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post #3 of 24

it's called linebreeding and inbreeding... it's a very valueable tool used in the breeding and management of almost every single truly successful breeder of any species of livestock, dog, or horse.

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Originally Posted by kfacres 

it's called linebreeding and inbreeding... it's a very valueable tool used in the breeding and management of almost every single truly successful breeder of any species of livestock, dog, or horse.


thanks.  how is it done?  like, what is the plan?  does it impact the animal in any way - negative or positive?

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Line breeding is when you breed the father to the Daughter or the Mother to the son.  Inbreeding is when you breed brother and sister. Line breeding is more popular and can bring out better colors and personalities

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post #6 of 24
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Originally Posted by Warrprincess688 

Line breeding is when you breed the father to the Daughter or the Mother to the son.  Inbreeding is when you breed brother and sister. Line breeding is more popular and can bring out better colors and personalities


hmm.  so then people who are breeding chickens that have hatched from the same batch (let's say from shipped eggs for an example), are inbreeding?


Edited by eggdd - 10/21/11 at 5:34pm
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Originally Posted by Warrprincess688 

Line breeding is when you breed the father to the Daughter or the Mother to the son.  Inbreeding is when you breed brother and sister. Line breeding is more popular and can bring out better colors and personalities


only partially correct...

linebreeding is when you concentrate the genetics of one particular individual, at no more than 50% in one single offspring's pedigree. By doing a half brother/ sister mating, grandson/ daughter, or any other kind of mating like this, that number will never get over 50%.  Linebreeding is used to intensify 'positive' traits, and help expose negitive ones.

Inbreeding is when you have one single animal in greater than 50% in that pedigree.  instances like this require either a father/ daughter, or mother/ son mating.  It's quite often that these matings have produced problems-- due to a more unnatural state of being.  This is also refered to as incest... 

Why do you think it's illegal for humans to marry less than 2nd cousins?  It's illegal to inbreed, but perfectly fine to linebreed...  Linebreeding has been going on since the bible times, and I can quote several in there-- not htat I'm a bible beater.. It's in a very good book, I happen to have. 

For more on linebreeding, inbreeding, visit my website, listed below...  on the homepage go to the thoughts link.

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If you want to know my thoughts on:
Cornish: Cornish bantams: Cornish X: or my "ideal" meat bird project-- check out my BYC page.  http://www.backyardchickens.com/web/viewblog.php?id=99923

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Quote:
Originally Posted by eggdd 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Warrprincess688 

Line breeding is when you breed the father to the Daughter or the Mother to the son.  Inbreeding is when you breed brother and sister. Line breeding is more popular and can bring out better colors and personalities


hmm.  so then people who are breeding chickens that have hatched from the same batch (let's say from shipped eggs for an example), are inbreeding?


not unless they came from the same mother which isnt that likely since hatcheries need new chicks to sell all the time ...... roll


Edited by DinosRBirds - 10/21/11 at 5:39pm
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Linebreeding is a form of inbreeding. Though some folks give different definitions to the two words they are in truth interchangeable.

Linebreeding normally refers to breeding back to a one quality bird (though it can be used differently): this is inbreeding any way you look at it.

I prefer to inbreed but not as close as that. I like uncle x niece and cousin matings. It doesn't fix traits as quickly but it does allow for more genetic variance to be maintained within the strain.

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Originally Posted by saladin 

Linebreeding is a form of inbreeding. Though some folks give different definitions to the two words they are in truth interchangeable.

Linebreeding normally refers to breeding back to a one quality bird (though it can be used differently): this is inbreeding any way you look at it.

I prefer to inbreed but not as close as that. I like uncle x niece and cousin matings. It doesn't fix traits as quickly but it does allow for more genetic variance to be maintained within the strain.


is that like saying, all apples are fruit;;; but all fruit is also all apples??

Offerring high quality 'Backyard' Cornish hatching eggs for sale, and breeding stock from time to time!  The ultimate backyard meat bird!  Inquire today for a flyer of info!

 

If you want to know my thoughts on:
Cornish: Cornish bantams: Cornish X: or my "ideal" meat bird project-- check out my BYC page.  http://www.backyardchickens.com/web/viewblog.php?id=99923

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Offerring high quality 'Backyard' Cornish hatching eggs for sale, and breeding stock from time to time!  The ultimate backyard meat bird!  Inquire today for a flyer of info!

 

If you want to know my thoughts on:
Cornish: Cornish bantams: Cornish X: or my "ideal" meat bird project-- check out my BYC page.  http://www.backyardchickens.com/web/viewblog.php?id=99923

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