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post #11 of 38
10/29/11 at 4:17pm
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Originally Posted by quailmale 

Not to highjack this thread but what about putting Chickens on the ground where Turkeys used to be, chickens will follow the Turkeys about 2 or three months apart. Thanks


As I stated turkeys on chicken ground = BAD................. chickens on turkey ground= Ok

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post #12 of 38
10/29/11 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by quailmale 

Not to highjack this thread but what about putting Chickens on the ground where Turkeys used to be, chickens will follow the Turkeys about 2 or three months apart. Thanks


I don't believe you will have any problems with that.

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post #13 of 38
10/29/11 at 5:48pm
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I gave my young turkey the medicine this morning. We've got good poop! She looks good but still keeping a low profile. I'm hoping she will continue to improve. Are turkeys and guineas a problem? My turkey hen convinced the guineas she is the Momma and the tom is the Poppa. I can't explain it..... how she did I have no idea but she did..... who would have thunk it. They are also 3 months old and raised with the sick turkey. This is also why I asked if the guinea poop is bad like the chickens.

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post #14 of 38
10/29/11 at 10:06pm

crj wrote   Are turkeys and guineas a problem?


Pretty much all Gallinaceous birds can be carriers.  Some species are more susceptible to developing the disease than others (apparently Guineas are someplace in between):  http://www.nwtf.org/conservation/bulletins/bulletin_25.pdf
 

Without the protozoan in the soil to take a ride in Cecal worms and then onto earthworms - chooks do not pose the threat of amplifying the potential for infection of the turks.  Before bringing our heritage turks home we checked with the State Vet/MU Turkey Farm/DNR regarding prevalence/incidence in our region.  We have 2-3 Wild flocks that use our woods on their rounds (nesting as well) and we were concerned.  Apparently the warmer and more humid the climate (better environment for the vectors) the more of a threat HG/HM is.  We heavily amended the soil of both runs with sand (and continue to add as needed) as it dries out faster (not a happy place for `squrimers') and, for the past two years we've been prophylactically worming flocks with Valbazen.
Chooks can, indeed, succumb to this disease (best shot of liver lesion I've run across is that of a broiler's):  http://en.aviagen.com/assets/Tech_Center/Broiler_Breeder_Tech_Articles/English/AviagenBrief_MaleHealth_June09.pdf

http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/262_usgsfwshm.jpg

From: USGS/FWS Field Manual Of Wildlife Disease (avian), an excellent reference:  http://www.nwhc.usgs.gov/publications/field_manual/

A most thorough reference on HG/HM (a Ph.D dissertation on the disease):  http://athenaeum.libs.uga.edu/bitstream/handle/10724/6287/hu_jinghui_200212_phd.pdf?sequence=1

 

Ed: `post' site migration link repair 


Edited by ivan3 - 3/29/12 at 11:56am
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post #15 of 38
10/30/11 at 5:20am
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Originally Posted by ivan3 

crj wrote   Are turkeys and guineas a problem?


Pretty much all Gallinaceous birds can be carriers.  Some species are more susceptible to developing the disease than others (apparently Guineas are someplace in between):  http://www.nwtf.org/conservation/bulletins/bulletin_25.pdf

Without the protozoan in the soil to take a ride in Cecal worms and then onto earthworms - chooks do not pose the threat of amplifying the potential for infection of the turks.  Before bringing our heritage turks home we checked with the State Vet/MU Turkey Farm/DNR regarding prevalence/incidence in our region.  We have 2-3 Wild flocks that use our woods on their rounds (nesting as well) and we were concerned.  Apparently the warmer and more humid the climate (better environment for the vectors) the more of a threat HG/HM is.  We heavily amended the soil of both runs with sand (and continue to add as needed) as it dries out faster (not a happy place for `squrimers') and, for the past two years we've been prophylactically worming flocks with Valbazen.
Chooks can, indeed, succumb to this disease (best shot of liver lesion I've run across is that of a broiler's):  http://en.aviagen.com/assets/Tech_Center/Broiler_Breeder_Tech_Articles/English/AviagenBrief_MaleHealth_June09.pdf

http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/262_usgsfwshm.jpg

From: USGS/FWS Field Manual Of Wildlife Disease (avian), an excellent reference:  http://www.nwhc.usgs.gov/publications/field_manual/

A most thorough reference on HG/HM (a Ph.D dissertation on the disease):  http://athenaeum.libs.uga.edu/bitstream/handle/10724/6287/hu_jinghui_200212_phd.pdf?sequence=1


Yes that was what I was trying to say and you did a better job with illistrations, thanks for the info. I hope it helps some folks.

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As good as a few and better than most, What You'll Tolerate in your flock is what you'll get.
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post #16 of 38
10/30/11 at 5:59am
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Thank you for all the wonderful information and taking the time to explain it so well. This is great. I do live in a humid climate so that is definitely a strike against me there. The only place I have earth worms are in my compost pile. Can my compost pile be treated to kill anything that will harm my birds and should I somehow cover my compost section from my chickens? The only other place that would have earthworms is my veggie garden. I do have that fenced off but when the garden is finished for the season I do let the birds in there to "clean up". Maybe that will have to stop also. The ground here is nothing but sand and I do clean up on a regular basis. Recently not so much due to surgery. Pretty much am limited but it's a temporary thing.

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post #17 of 38
10/30/11 at 7:08pm

I'd probably ag lime any particularly dank areas (cover compost with sheets of that black `breathable' garden plastic that comes in rolls (our guys rarely tear this up from beds (eat/tromp plants that extend up through it, though), or sheets of hardware cloth.  I'd think regular wormng schedule for all your poultry, with Valbazen, and not placing any turks under three months of age on the ground would probably be sufficient.

However, I'd want a definitive lab diagnosis.

Hope your recovery/rehab from the surgery is brief and uneventful!

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post #18 of 38
10/30/11 at 7:33pm

Makes sense to me to always keep your chickens wormed with albendazole or Fenbendazole so there's no cecal worms to start with.

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post #19 of 38
10/31/11 at 6:29am
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Originally Posted by ivan3 

I'd probably ag lime any particularly dank areas (cover compost with sheets of that black `breathable' garden plastic that comes in rolls (our guys rarely tear this up from beds (eat/tromp plants that extend up through it, though), or sheets of hardware cloth.  I'd think regular wormng schedule for all your poultry, with Valbazen, and not placing any turks under three months of age on the ground would probably be sufficient.

However, I'd want a definitive lab diagnosis.

Hope your recovery/rehab from the surgery is brief and uneventful!


I did put some food quailty DE down yesterday because I have it and figured it wouldn't hurt. LIme is a good idea. I do have a couple of horses that get wormed regularly so I bet that helps. I have been looking for Valbazen here and no one carries it. Although, someone else apparently asked for it at the feed store so they are looking into it.

I have ducks and geese and would like to know if used Wazine if that would bother the ducks at all. There is nothing on the bottle about it. Although, I feel the ducks just play in the water to dirty it up. Yes, I constantly dump and refil..... ugh. I would put the Wazine in the waterers but I don't know if it would harm the waterfowl. Wazine is all that I have.

I can get horse wormer but how would I administer that to the poultry?? I could break it down in water and soak bread in it and feed that to the chickens and turkeys. Do you have a better suggestion?

I truly appreciate all the help you are giving me. My husband passed away last year and he was my go to guy. I feel I'm doing well with the recovery and I too and hoping it's uneventful. Lord knows I need a break, a good break not a bad one...... lol.

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post #20 of 38
10/31/11 at 6:31am
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Originally Posted by Ksane 

Makes sense to me to always keep your chickens wormed with albendazole or Fenbendazole so there's no cecal worms to start with.


Do you use hors wormer??? or do you get this differently and how to you feed it to your birds? Sounds good to me as well.

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