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post #21 of 34

silkies arnt birchin, when silkies are sold as birchins its just because the owner doesnt know better or its because they do know and want to get rid of the bird. those birds are either blue or black with silver leakege
to me he looks like a blue with gold leakage

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post #22 of 34
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Originally Posted by nicalandia 
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Originally Posted by chickendales 
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Originally Posted by nicalandia 


I just go by what I see, nothing else. I can spot a birchen a mile away from partridge..



here I'll make it easy for you.

can you spot the difference?( I made it using my bad paint skills.. lol )

the one on the Left is Partridge, the one on the Right was a Partridge but I melanized his wing bay, and now is a Gold Birchen.
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j437/nicalandia/PartridgeSilkiecomparison.jpg

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Originally Posted by shelleyd2008 

The OPs bird looks like a blue with gold leakage.


that is a good assessment too..

here is what a "Rustiness" looks on blues, it can also mimic Birchen(E^R) but the Gold leakage is not complete..

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Originally Posted by rodriguezpoultry 

Here are some photos of the bird(s) in question:
Cock: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs601.ash2/155380_735037417167_20611427_40172615_6050864_n.jpg



Those look nothing like the Partridge that I've seen in Silkies. Birchen is not a color pattern found in Silkies either, that I know of. E^R birds should have the hackle and saddle coloring the same, with a wing bow in a deep red color, as in Black Copper Marans. The Silkie color in question is a matter of gold leakage in an otherwise blue bird. Partridge birds, in Silkies anyway, carry the gold/red gene; whether in Blue or Black based. This is just what I am seeing in my limited experience with my Silkies. smile

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post #23 of 34
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Originally Posted by muddyhorse 

it is blue with leakage going through a molt.  that is why the color is splotchy
this hen is blue
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/38899_100_1868.jpg


I agree, it could also be young and just hasn't developed all the gold yet.

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post #24 of 34
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Originally Posted by silkielover5 

silkies arnt birchin, when silkies are sold as birchins its just because the owner doesnt know better or its because they do know and want to get rid of the bird. those birds are either blue or black with silver leakege
to me he looks like a blue with gold leakage


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post #25 of 34
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Originally Posted by nicalandia 

here I'll make it easy for you.

can you spot the difference?( I made it using my bad paint skills.. lol )

the one on the Left is Partridge, the one on the Right was a Partridge but I melanized his wing bay, and now is a Gold Birchen.
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j437/nicalandia/PartridgeSilkiecomparison.jpg


Actually, the birds you have pictured are Porcelain, NOT Partridge. They aren't even close to Partridge.


As for the OP's bird, it is a blue boy, with gold leakage and I would not recommend breeding him.


Edited by acid_chipmunk - 11/6/11 at 5:05am
post #26 of 34
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by acid_chipmunk 

As for the OP's bird, it is a blue boy, with gold leakage and I would not recommend breeding him.


I didn't mean to start an argument. I'm new to chickens and silkies. I was just curious. Since I fell in love with the photos of silkies and wanted some, my search of colors, I've never seen this before. I did a google search and nothing came up on his coloring.

As far as breeding him ( and I don't want to start another argument) why would you recommend not breeding him? Is it a flaw in the show ring to have this leakage? I think it's beautiful coloring, but I also know that beautiful doesn't always qualify when showing. I didnt really plan on doing much showing, but may for 4-H for my kids next year. I wanted silkies specifically for pets.

post #27 of 34
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Originally Posted by Freya 
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Originally Posted by acid_chipmunk 

As for the OP's bird, it is a blue boy, with gold leakage and I would not recommend breeding him.


I didn't mean to start an argument. I'm new to chickens and silkies. I was just curious. Since I fell in love with the photos of silkies and wanted some, my search of colors, I've never seen this before. I did a google search and nothing came up on his coloring.

As far as breeding him ( and I don't want to start another argument) why would you recommend not breeding him? Is it a flaw in the show ring to have this leakage? I think it's beautiful coloring, but I also know that beautiful doesn't always qualify when showing. I didnt really plan on doing much showing, but may for 4-H for my kids next year. I wanted silkies specifically for pets.


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post #28 of 34
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Originally Posted by Debbi 

E^R birds should have the hackle and saddle coloring the same, with a wing bow in a deep red color, as in Black Copper Marans.


Not Always. Red enhancers or Diluters can effect how much red or lack of you will find in E^R Birds.


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Originally Posted by math ace 
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Originally Posted by Noymira 

Hi everyone!  I was hoping that I could get a little input on my roo, Dr. Ruckus.  I had posted  picture a month or two back, but he's matured a bit since then.   


Here's a picture from a month or so ago...
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j437/nicalandia/BlackcoperM.jpg

Thanks!  This is my first year with chickens so I'm still a newbie...


Something is up with this fellow's coloring....

He is super dark and yet his hackles seem to be approaching staw in color... PLUS there is borderline too much coppering on the chest.

The comb has something going on with it too (viewed from the opposite side than showed).

The tail angle looks good.

Wing set looks tight and correct.

Eye color looks good,  in the process of changing to the correct color

Back is nice and long ( no such thing as too long as long as there is a matching width IMHO).

post #29 of 34
Quote:
Originally Posted by nicalandia 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Debbi 

E^R birds should have the hackle and saddle coloring the same, with a wing bow in a deep red color, as in Black Copper Marans.


Not Always. Red enhancers or Diluters can effect how much red or lack of you will find in E^R Birds.


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Originally Posted by math ace 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Noymira 

Hi everyone!  I was hoping that I could get a little input on my roo, Dr. Ruckus.  I had posted  picture a month or two back, but he's matured a bit since then.   


Here's a picture from a month or so ago...
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j437/nicalandia/BlackcoperM.jpg

Thanks!  This is my first year with chickens so I'm still a newbie...


Something is up with this fellow's coloring....

He is super dark and yet his hackles seem to be approaching staw in color... PLUS there is borderline too much coppering on the chest.

The comb has something going on with it too (viewed from the opposite side than showed).

The tail angle looks good.

Wing set looks tight and correct.

Eye color looks good,  in the process of changing to the correct color

Back is nice and long ( no such thing as too long as long as there is a matching width IMHO).



True, not always, but in general. Then there is mahogany to deal with, as well as a total melanization (is that a word?), where an otherwise E^R bird will express as pure black, yet still carry the gold/red gene. Some believe that the hackle coloring in the bird above, shows a tendency for Wheaten in the mix.  hu  I'm still very much trying to learn all of this! Old dog, new trick! gig

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post #30 of 34
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Originally Posted by Debbi 

True, not always, but in general.


I agree.

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Originally Posted by Debbi 

Then there is mahogany to deal with,


I agree here also, Mahogany and autosomal red can play a huge part in encreasing the roosters pheomelanin expression. there is a guy that is trying to produce "Lemon blue" Marans. But his is runing into this problem, as in most marans have Mahogany. this will prevent a nice even "Lemon" color for this breed. I advised him he needs to get rid of those genes before calling a blue copper maran a "Lemon Blue" Maran

Lemon Blue OEGB
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j437/nicalandia/Lemon_BlueOEG5.jpg

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Originally Posted by Debbi 

as well as a total melanization (is that a word?), where an otherwise E^R bird will express as pure black,


Complete Blacks can be have in just about any "e" allele. Extended Black being the easiest followed by E^R.

below quotes can be fown on following link http://www.the-coop.org/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=89474&page=all

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Originally Posted by Wieslaw 

I have 2 major pieces of news.

1)I have made it! for the first time. A duckwing pullet(e+/e+) on her way to total melanization!

http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz261/wieslawl59/Melanized%20duckwings/Melanizedduckwing1.jpg
http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz261/wieslawl59/Melanized%20duckwings/melduck2.jpg
http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz261/wieslawl59/Melanized%20duckwings/melduck3.jpg
http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz261/wieslawl59/Melanized%20duckwings/melduck4.jpg
http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz261/wieslawl59/Melanized%20duckwings/melduck5.jpg

If you read the thread :
http://www.the-coop.org/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=20979#Post20979

Forget all about that this is an undermelanized birchen. No birchens involved at all. There is absolutely nothing that is undermelanized with me. Only overmelanized.

2) This is also a suprise for me. Not only darker chicks can be melanized . Look here:

http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz261/wieslawl59/Melanized%20duckwings/Melanizedduckwings-1.jpg
http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz261/wieslawl59/Melanized%20duckwings/Melanizedlight1.jpg
http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz261/wieslawl59/Melanized%20duckwings/Melanizedlight3.jpg
http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz261/wieslawl59/Melanized%20duckwings/Melanizedlight2.jpg


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Originally Posted by Wieslaw 

Back to the pullet . Now with a totally melanized breast

http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz261/wieslawl59/Melanized%20duckwings/melanduck4-2.jpg
http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz261/wieslawl59/Melanized%20duckwings/Melanduck5-1.jpg
http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz261/wieslawl59/Melanized%20duckwings/Melanduck6.jpg

Her breast is blacker than on some Er birds.


so basicaly Total melanization can occour on E^R with the correct amount of Melanizers.

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