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Hi Dani,
              Yes, you are welcome to use my drawings.

But I have to make more illustrations of 10 more kinds of green peafowls: p.antiqus antiqus, p.antiqus deqenisis, p.spicifer yangonensis, p.spicifer arakansis, p.spicifer tanintharyi, p.muticus malacensi, p.javanensis baluranensis, p.imperator yunnanensis, p.annamensis xshuangbannamensis.  Illustration of p.imterator cattiensis will be coming tomorrow.


Hi Frank and Dani,
                              Can I have the photoes of both pavo annamensis xshuangbannamesis and pavo imperator yunnanensis and pavo javanensis baluranensis, of both sexes, please, for me to make more illustrations.

Frank,
           Questions:
                             Is pavo annamensis xshuangbannamesis diffenent or same in colours & pattens to pavo annamensis annamensis ???
                             Is pavo imperator yunnanensis diffenent or same in colours and pattens to pavo imperator imperator ???
                             Is pavo javanensis baluranensis diffenent or same in colours & pattens to pavo javanensis javanensis ???

Clinton.
         




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Originally Posted by Dany12 

Ga_Tre you believe that there are groups of wild peacocks who live outside of reserves?
Or in Vietnam,is there place for wildlife outside the reserves?

Clinton9, can I use your drawings on another forum?

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post #82 of 127
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dany12 

Ga_Tre you believe that there are groups of wild peacocks who live outside of reserves?
Or in Vietnam,is there place for wildlife outside the reserves?

Clinton9, can I use your drawings on another forum?


Hi Danny12.I can say 5 baby peacocks and 2 male Aldul in my pic is a groups of wild peacocks,Sure 100%.Cause I know owner for them.He sell any product for forest: woods,skull munjac... he tell me he buy eggs and peacocks from hunters. Have alot of people live ouside and inside  of reserves.Most ,they a poor famers,indigenous peoples they ussually  to exploit resources in the forests as : logging,hunt or trap mammals, birds,wild orchild...........


Edited by Ga_Tre - 12/15/11 at 8:00am
post #83 of 127
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Originally Posted by jbourget 

keep up the good work clinton. I have a question you stopped putting the common color name after the scientific ones in the last few...how come? It really helped me, cool drawings clapwoot


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post #84 of 127
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Jbourget,

I don't understand why you said about "I stopped putting the common colour name after scientific ones in last few"
So I thought this of no importance, so I didn't brothered to answer.

thankyou.smile

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post #85 of 127

I'm not sure about Xishuangbannaensis, but it appears to be darker than typical annamensis. The back is a little greener while the neck is a more golden-bronze. This subspecies lives in submontane areas with tall trees, compared to that of bokorensis which lives in more mountanous areas near cliffs.

This is one skin that Wolfgang Mennig examined:
http://kickingthorn.com/v-web/gallery/albums/Pavo-annamensis/yunnanesis_annam_bmp.jpg
http://kickingthorn.com/v-web/gallery/albums/Pavo-annamensis/yunnanensis_annam_bmp.jpg

The crest is sheathed like that of spicifer and some Javanensis.
http://kickingthorn.com/v-web/gallery/albums/Pavo-annamensis/annamensis_frontal.jpg
Baluran Javanensis is darker on the undersides than nominate. The neck is green and not as golden as nominate. It strongly resembles imperator siamensis in some ways.

Imperator Yunnanensis is something we do not have enough information to deal with. All I know is it has pale irises and is rather similar to spicifer in some ways. Like Antiqus and Xishuangbannaensis, it is doomed due to hybridization with Indian Peafowl.

I don't think Deqenisis is valid because Resolution took it off my list of subspecies. He mentioned it a long time ago on his old site as "the second form of Yunnan dragon never described in literature" found in Sichuan. This needs a clearer study but it is probably too late.

Resolution work has been cited in Birdlife's Red Data Book in 2001 but no updates of this have been made since then. He mentioned how Green Peafowl were probably monogamous, and described antiqus, saying it has more slender wings, longer hind toe and an "odd, monal-like bill". Since then, nobody but us has ever looked carefully at this.

Also funny how Alain Hennache thinks about debunking the Imperial Pheasant as a valid species. Perhaps it is indeed a hybrid, but we may never know if this bird was a mere hybrid or a true species. (also Elliot's Sicklebill bird of paradise is questioned the same way) Perhaps Green Peafowl tonkinensis and tanitharyi will be dismissed the same way. The most ridiculous idea by Hennache is he believes that the Green Peafowl is only one species with several geographical variations. Unable to find any evidence of this he jumped into Delacour's bandwagon of 3 subspecies.

We should start a campaign to save these species this but it is hard to get this message across China. I am disgusted to see hybrids roaming in the wild of Yunnan and to know that the wild species may never be revealed to the world.


Edited by FrankYLegend - 12/15/11 at 1:26pm
post #86 of 127
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Hi Frank,
               
Illustratied:

1)  pavo muticus muticus             male
2)  p. annamensis annamensis    male
3)  p.a.bokorensis                        male & female
4)  p. spicifer spicifer                    male
5)  p. imperator imperator            male
6)  p.i.siamensis                           male
7)  p.i.tonkinensis                         male
8)  p.i. cattiensis                           male
9)  p.javanensis javanensis          male & female

I had not finished making the illustration of p.i.cattiensis yet.


I had yet to make more illustrations:

1) pavo muticus malacensi ###
2) p. javanensis baluranensis
3) p.imperator yunnanensis  ###
4) p.annamensis xishuangbannaensis  ###
5) p. antiqus antiqus  ###
6) p.antiqus deqensis  ###
7) p.spicifer yangonensis  ###
8) p.spicifer arakansis  ###
9) p.spicifer tanintharyi ###

But I am unable to make 9 more illustrations, due to problems of whether ### were hybrids or pure birds or they may be extinct and we (Frank, Clinton, Dani) are no good at telling which is which the races & subspecies of green peafowls as Resolution.

We need Resolution's help in sorting races & subspecies of green peafowls.

Until Resolution sorted the races & subspecies of green peafowls, I will be make illustrations of mutations of domestic IB peacocks.

Clinton.

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post #87 of 127

Yes I agree it's best not to do ALL the subspecies:

One form you should do is the Northern Thailand integrade between Annamensis and Imperator Siamensis. Also a strange crest and mound at the base. The neck is also golden-yellow like that of annamensis, but the eyes are dark like imperator.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3105/3267697171_22d2038631_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3330/3267697633_2cc9c2e4cf_o.jpg
Note how the facial skin is yellower and the demarcation on the back of the crown, more prominent than typical imperator siamensis.

Extremely compressed poor-quality video from China:
http://v.ku6.com/special/show_1923009/X_XIw8k1o9Gw_RAh.html

I remember seeing the original video somewhere when I was younger and kinda complained"why does he look so dull!? where's the sound"

Something tells me this is a Kunming Imperator yunnanensis, it looks almost exactly the same as the only photograph I have seen of this form (perhaps, it's the same bird).

Another Chinese documentary about Green Peafowl. Some very inaccurate information. For example it says Green Peafowl and Congo Peafowl hybridized to evolve into Indian Peafowl! It's sad, they try to find wild Green Peafowl but fail to find any.
http://video.baomihua.com/14694423/15561967
http://video.baomihua.com/14694423/15564417
At the least they do point at the differences between Green and Indian Peafowl, but that male they used still looks like a semi-hybrid. sad I think the greatest problem is because Indian Peahen has a green neck and they take that as a Green Peafowl!

(sorry about those ads on the bottom, they're ANNOYING and disturbing typical of chinese sites but I don't know how to embed just the video, I will remove this link if mods ask me to)


Edited by FrankYLegend - 12/16/11 at 6:29pm
post #88 of 127
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Hi Resolution,
                       Can you please help Frank and Dani and me, with green peafowls with ### as we have  problems of whether ### were hybrids or pure birds or they may be extinct and we (Frank, Clinton, Dani) are no good at telling which is which the races & subspecies of green peafowls.


1) pavo muticus malacensi ###
2) p. javanensis baluranensis
3) p.imperator yunnanensis  ###
4) p.annamensis xishuangbannaensis  ###
5) p. antiqus antiqus  ###
6) p. antiqus deqensis  ###
7) p.spicifer yangonensis  ###
8) p.spicifer arakansis  ###
9) p.spicifer tanintharyi ###


I stopped making illustrations of green peafowls, until you sort the last 9 races of green peafowls.
Meanwhile I will make illustrations of mutations of domestic IB peafowls.

Clinton.

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post #89 of 127

Dear friends,
I am pleased to see that people thinking about the peafowl. But I'm not so happy when I see the pictures shown are from other sites and the photographer or owner of the photo does not ask for publication on other websites.
Especially with pictures from wildlife photographers have a lot of money and time invested. But you use them as if they were your own. Think about it before you makes you research and studies from your desk.
Best regards
leo7

post #90 of 127

Resolution responded to this before. We don't take these pictures to steal them but to prove a point with research. Most photographers are happy about their photographs being used and even give Resolution permission for use. Although an alternative to photographs is our own sketches, the fact that their features are iridescent and other stuff like that is hard to illustrate using sketches.

Many of these images are found freely available on the internet. We take no credit for these images as our own. I know there are images on Flickr etc. which are disabled to be uploaded, those photographs I do not post here only as a link.

All these photographers have done a great job with their work to help us explain more about these amazing creatures.


Edited by FrankYLegend - 12/18/11 at 1:35am
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