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Originally Posted by NancyAmbro 

We have 14 chickens (1's a rooster, a very nice fellow) with a 15' x 40' run that used to be a dog pen. It's got fencing over the top to keep out the racoons, bobcats, owls and hawks, and there's double fencing at the bottom to discourage the coyotes. Their house is a 4' x 8' elevated palace (pictures coming soon) with windows, a ramp, nesting boxes I can clear from outside, and room to rest in the shady sand underneath. I have a mix of shavings and straw on the dirt of the run, and there's a juniper tree at one end of the run on which I have fastened perches at all different heights.

Our girls seem very happy, although they're extra pleased when we let them out for an afternoon, which happens whenever possible. While they're in the run, we give them kitchen scraps and spare produce from the grocery store so that's always a big thrill. big_smile

Since we have free-range coyotes wandering around at all hours, we don't let the girls out without one of us on duty, or our 145-lb Newfoundland dog there on a long lead as guard. We have 3 pheasant-colored Cochins, 3 Americuanas and 8 Black Stars. The Black Stars are pretty mellow, the Americuanas are our adventurers and are quite outgoing, and the Cochins are a bit spooky and the most likely to dash back into the run when there's a shadow or a noise they don't like.

Nancy Ambrosiano
White Rock, New Mexico


Hi Nancy,

Welcome to the forum.--- sounds like your chickens have it nice, and they are protected--which is the MOST important thing!

"Was dich nicht umwirft, macht dich starker"   "What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger."-Friedrich Nietzsche 
My new tag line...added to the end of every sentence--->  "...... after all, they ARE chickens!!!"

 

Here's a link to my BYC page:  http://www.backyardchickens.com/a/chickats-page

Here's a link to my BYC blog of sorts http://www.backyardchickens.com/a/jottings

 

 

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"Was dich nicht umwirft, macht dich starker"   "What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger."-Friedrich Nietzsche 
My new tag line...added to the end of every sentence--->  "...... after all, they ARE chickens!!!"

 

Here's a link to my BYC page:  http://www.backyardchickens.com/a/chickats-page

Here's a link to my BYC blog of sorts http://www.backyardchickens.com/a/jottings

 

 

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post #72 of 110
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Originally Posted by davesanrn 

Chicken brains are about the size of your fingertip.  They don't think, they aren't happy, or sad.  Yes, that is plenty of room.  Would they be "happy" free range chickens if a hawk or fox got them?  They'll be fine.


I agree that protecting them is the main thing.  As to brain size, most of us only use a small fraction of our gray matter, so I'm not sure that we're that much smarter than they are, and I've known people who are much less sensitive than my chickens. wink

Welcome to BYC, I do look forward to more perspective from you, it all adds to the richness of this place.

Four Columbian Wyandotte hens, and a charming young roo who's growing fast.
My Chickens Page                  Fowlies Bregère - our coop additon                Little Chicken Wagon - Updated June 2013


 

 

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Four Columbian Wyandotte hens, and a charming young roo who's growing fast.
My Chickens Page                  Fowlies Bregère - our coop additon                Little Chicken Wagon - Updated June 2013


 

 

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post #73 of 110

No.

I have five hens and two pullets- one seven year old red star, Luna, one white leghorn, Sage, one SLW, Pepper, one adorable fluffy EE, Bedazzle, and one black star, Buckbeak. My two pullets are Nutella, my wheaten marans, thirty five weeks, (who is yet to lay an egg!), and her best friend, Sammy, seventeen weeks.

 

 

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I have five hens and two pullets- one seven year old red star, Luna, one white leghorn, Sage, one SLW, Pepper, one adorable fluffy EE, Bedazzle, and one black star, Buckbeak. My two pullets are Nutella, my wheaten marans, thirty five weeks, (who is yet to lay an egg!), and her best friend, Sammy, seventeen weeks.

 

 

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post #74 of 110
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Originally Posted by Gargoyle 

6chickens in St. Charles :

In this video, my hen jumped into my lap for a visit.  Neither of us are very pretty, but its a good example of what sometimes happens when chicken's personalities come to light:
http://www.youtube.com/user/6chickensinstcharles


Cute video. BTW, I'm guessing I'm about 5 or 6 miles north of you.

We have 4 chickens in a fully enclosed and covered run, 8 x 20 feet, with a 4 x 5 foot coop inside it. The interior space is 5-1/2 to 6 feet high, so I can walk around in there, and it has perches, rocks, a dust bath and other stuff to keep them occupied. They seem to find plenty to do in there. I don't think I'd want more than four birds in that space.


Hello! frow Happy Thanksgiving!

Pictures?  I was out with mine this morning, wishing I had cupholders for my morning coffee LOL!  Do you have cupholders in yours?

Mom and Dad of 3 boys 14,11,9; live in city in-town by public library and school; Silkie rooster, Silkie hen, EE hen, RoseComb Bantam and 8 of their mixed breed offspring!  And a bunny!
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Mom and Dad of 3 boys 14,11,9; live in city in-town by public library and school; Silkie rooster, Silkie hen, EE hen, RoseComb Bantam and 8 of their mixed breed offspring!  And a bunny!
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post #75 of 110

6chickens in St. Charles :

Pictures?  I was out with mine this morning, wishing I had cupholders for my morning coffee LOL!  Do you have cupholders in yours?


I've just added more pictures to my BYC page. No cupholders, but that's a very good idea. Right now I just have a block of limestone that I sit on. smile

Four Columbian Wyandotte hens, and a charming young roo who's growing fast.
My Chickens Page                  Fowlies Bregère - our coop additon                Little Chicken Wagon - Updated June 2013


 

 

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Four Columbian Wyandotte hens, and a charming young roo who's growing fast.
My Chickens Page                  Fowlies Bregère - our coop additon                Little Chicken Wagon - Updated June 2013


 

 

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post #76 of 110

Hi,
We have 6 hens and a roo in a 10'X14' chain link dog kennel, with an adjacent 4'X4'Coop, and they are fine. We have bears, cougars, coyotes, hawks, eagles, so the very protected yard(with strong wire fencing for roof) is essential. Over that we have a poly, opaque roof to keep snow off the yard. I feed spinach and sprouts, as well as feed, and spread fresh hay from the barn and I get eggs year-around. The chickens follow us all over while we feed. They are perfectly happy and safe. Chickens are after all, chicken..


Happy Chickens in Colorado and NOT free-range. thumbsup

post #77 of 110

Our  26 chickens are not free range.  If they were, I would most likely lose half or all in one day, due to predators , or despite being set back quite a distance, they could still meander onto the street .

Each of our three groups of chickens have over  45 feet of kennel space, with covering,

Our chickens are happy, they get attention, crave attention, and most likely do not know about free ranging.

post #78 of 110
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Originally Posted by DDRanch 

I think that 10'x6' is too small for 6 chickens. Will appear great when then are small, but they grow fast. Better to have fewer than too many for the space. The idea of bantams might work well for you but if you go for the larger breeds, I recommend 4 for that area. Overcrowding will lead to heartache for you and fighting, boredom, unhealthy conditions for the chickens.

I do not think it is cruel to have chickens if they cannot free range, but I think you have to pay attention to some basics that really apply to all of us.

Predator proof is vital.
Keep the run clean and give them branches or areas where they can get off the ground during wet or muddy periods. Water changed often, nutritious chicken food and treats
Do not keep a rooster in this small space...you don't need one
Give them treats, set up a dust bath area, give them something to scratch around in ( I use straw in my run which is easy to clean out and will soak up some rain during the winter months.
Let them out with you as often as you can or you go in and sit with them
Teach them early on to come to you using treats so that when you do let them out, they will come back when YOU want them to.


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10 sq. ft in the run is pretty much the minimum suggested per bird when they're primarily contained.  Or if you know your space will be limited, go for breeds that are very mild mannered, such as silkies, cochins, etc.  Build your run as large as you can.

Caretaker of a lovely mixed flock including: australorp, plymouth rocks, wyandotte, d'uccles, silkies, EEs, andalusian, and a few seramas, plus a golden retriever, great dane, and three cats.  I always swore that I wouldn't succumb to chicken math.  I lied.
 

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Caretaker of a lovely mixed flock including: australorp, plymouth rocks, wyandotte, d'uccles, silkies, EEs, andalusian, and a few seramas, plus a golden retriever, great dane, and three cats.  I always swore that I wouldn't succumb to chicken math.  I lied.
 

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post #79 of 110

Because of my dogs, the neighbors dogs and the fox and hawks and eagles (oh my!) my flock cannot free range. They have a nice big yard made from chain link kennel panels with a top over it. They don't appear to be traumatized or depressed by not being allowed to run around my yard. They are healthy and I give them a varied diet to make up for their lack of freedom.

I live in Central Maine on a small 1 acre "farm". I have a variety of hens, both standards and bantams. I just got a small incubator and want to start hatching some eggs!
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I live in Central Maine on a small 1 acre "farm". I have a variety of hens, both standards and bantams. I just got a small incubator and want to start hatching some eggs!
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post #80 of 110
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Originally Posted by silkiechicken 

They won't know or miss what they never have. Don't let them taste the freedom if you plan on keeping them in the run.


agreed. lol

Three chickens, two dogs, one fish and a husband.
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Three chickens, two dogs, one fish and a husband.
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