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Now personally, i do not think I will tell my kids there is a Santa Claus. I have a thing about lieing to kids like that. I feel the parents are over reacting to the teacher as well by expecting her to lie during a geography class. One of the parents said that if her older sons told their younger child there was no Santa they would be punished. What sort of message does that send? If you don't lie you get punished? Really?




http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/12/03/new-york-teacher-tells-kids-there-is-no-santa-claus/#ixzz1fYVRNwmH?test=latestnews

New York Teacher Tells Kids There Is No Santa Claus
Published December 03, 2011

"Santa Claus waves during the 91st annual city Christmas tree lighting ceremony at the Daley Plaza in Chicago on Friday, Nov. 26, 2004.(AP Photo/Nam Y. Huh)
A teacher ruined Christmas for a class full of second-graders when she told them that there is no Santa Claus during a lesson about the North Pole at their Rockland County, N.Y., school.
The educator even told the youngsters, mostly 7 and 8-year-olds, that the presents under their trees were put out by their parents, and not St. Nick.
The stunning behavior caused a blizzard of outrage at the quiet George W. Miller Elementary School in Nanuet, where angry parents would like to see the teacher roasted like a chestnut over an open fire.
"If that happened to my daughter in her second-grade class ... I'd be very upset," according to 48-year-old Sean Flanagan, whose child was in second grade at the school last year. "If her brothers told her [there was no Santa], they would be punished. So I can't imagine what should happen to the teacher."
A nanny picking up a child at the school said that anyone who tells kids that Santa does not exist should get coal in their stocking.
"It's outrageous that a teacher would strip a child of their innocence and try and demystify something," 59-year-old Margaret Fernandez said.
A grandmother of a kindergartener added, "I think this is awful. If it happened to my granddaughter, I'd tell her [that] her teacher made a mistake, and there is a Santa."
The unidentified teacher reportedly made her anti-Santa comments Tuesday during a geography lesson, when students told her that they knew where the North Pole was because that is where Santa lives.
School officials would not discuss the Christmas incident or say if the teacher would face any discipline.
District Superintendent Mark McNeill released a brief statement, saying only, "This matter is being addressed internally." "


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post #2 of 137

I don't know what that teacher is talking about.  Santa still comes at our house, and our kids are all 18+.  hu

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It was not that teacher's place to tell the children "there is no Santa."  Most kids eventually transition between the reality of a person as Santa Claus  to the true reality of the SPIRIT of Santa Claus.  Historically, there WAS a Saint Nicholas, and his deeds inspired the legend of Santa Claus.

Punishing an older child for telling a younger one that there is no Santa is not about a lie; it is about intentionally choosing to give the younger child emotional pain.

There are many things that are simply not appropriate for a teacher to discuss with their students. There are ALWAYS ways of deferring questions. "Sally, this lesson is not about Santa, it is about geography.  The North Pole is the point on the earth that is the farthest north of all.  Every direction from there is south.  Here, let's look at this globe and see how that works."  Or something similar...

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Edited for sheer stupidity and lack of aforethought!  tongue


Edited by Beekissed - 12/4/11 at 9:55pm
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Originally Posted by Sonoran Silkies 

It was not that teacher's place to tell the children "there is no Santa."  Most kids eventually transition between the reality of a person as Santa Claus  to the true reality of the SPIRIT of Santa Claus.  Historically, there WAS a Saint Nicholas, and his deeds inspired the legend of Santa Claus.

Punishing an older child for telling a younger one that there is no Santa is not about a lie; it is about intentionally choosing to give the younger child emotional pain.

There are many things that are simply not appropriate for a teacher to discuss with their students. There are ALWAYS ways of deferring questions. "Sally, this lesson is not about Santa, it is about geography.  The North Pole is the point on the earth that is the farthest north of all.  Every direction from there is south.  Here, let's look at this globe and see how that works."  Or something similar...


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Originally Posted by Beekissed 

Punishing an older child for telling a younger one that there is no Santa is not about a lie; it is about intentionally choosing to give the younger child emotional pain.


I disagree...lying to your children in the first place is poor parenting, IMO, and then forcing a child who has learned the truth to withhold that truth from a younger child is also just as wrong.   It definitely sends the wrong message at many different levels. 

It's really very simple....one can tell their children the story of Santa Clause~the real one~without bursting some Christmas spirit bubble created by commercialism and still stay within the realm of honesty.   Choosing not to do so is setting your child up for a painful truth one day, whether the teacher tells her or her older brother does so. 

Sad, really, that something that silly is such an issue in this world.


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post #7 of 137

I think kids should be kids and they should feel free to have an imagination. Whats a Christmas without Santa??

post #8 of 137

It's still Christmas....same holiday celebration, same foods, same gifts, same actual meaning~CHRISTmas.   My children were never taught to believe in Santa and I can guarantee that they still had the same excited tinglies, feeling of giving and receiving, same warm feelings in their Christmas as children who were taught to believe a man comes down their chimney and leaves presents.

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This is a "family Site" what if a kid read this that u have posted??? !!!!

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post #10 of 137

This is probably a little different than most people's opinion on the matter. While I don't think it was the teachers place to tell the children Santa isn't real I also feel like lying to children about Santa teaches them that it's ok to be dishonest. I also kind of feel like getting presents from some imaginary man takes away from the appreciation children should have when they are giving a gift that their parents worked hard for. Plus, it's not like you can't continue celebrating and giving presents just because the kids know Santa isn't real. I know that long after I knew he wasn't real I still got presents from Santa.

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