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Wow my brain was right in remembering there was a sex-linked factor to this... (that's a small miracle)

 

So the Sire could have been ss and the Dam  s- to produce the ss cockerel or Sire Ss and Dam s- to produce ss cockerel.

 

But the Dam could not have been S- crossed with a ss Sire as that would have resulted in sex linked chicks as the male chicks would all look Silver like the hen and the pullets would be Red/Golds. 

I am just learning so even less familiar with lines than color genetics (hopefully one of the really experienced folks will answer)... but my understanding is when Gold/Red based birds are bred with Silver based birds the red/gold bleeds through and is supper hard to breed out even amongst the hens that is why the show bench folks frown on it. In addition I found out there are additional genes which a red/gold based bird might or might not have and that appear not to be sex-linked that effects color and one of those is a non sex linked red/gold gene that can be passed into Silver based birds and it seems to be a gene that is more complicated than straight recessive or dominate. 

 

If they do have the red bleed through it would not surprise me as game fowl are bred first for performance and second for looks, in much the same way egg production birds are bred for performance versus the show bird version of that breed... so a RIR Production line bird will not look the same as a RIR Show line bird, you can tell they are both RIRs but one will look "prettier" than the other, and the less SOP one will probably lay eggs better. The ideal would be a bird that performs the task it is bred for well and looks SOP.

 

Just some thoughts from a backyard keeper of chickens.

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Top are Albany bottom are lacy roundhead
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Originally Posted by JShubin View Post
 

regardless of the breed, that is a good looking bird.  I crossed grey with hatch (bbr) many times over and the lemon hackle is a typical outcome. I dont know about the genetics end of it.

I agree he looks really nice to my untrained eye too.  :drool I would love to bring him home.

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One of my lemon hackles.. I call them wild types

 

(this one is actually kept at my friends house)


Edited by JShubin - 6/9/16 at 10:08am

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One of my lemon hackles.. I call them wild types

 

(this one is actually kept at my friends house)

Looks very nice!

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mine are a little less than a onth old is there a way i can sex them at this age. looks like i got 2 spangled and one normal feather patterns. one of my spangled may be speckled. but i just went and checked, is there a way of checking by the tail at this age, they are roughly 3 weeks old

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Originally Posted by Lauravonsmurf View Post
 

I am just learning so even less familiar with lines than color genetics (hopefully one of the really experienced folks will answer)... but my understanding is when Gold/Red based birds are bred with Silver based birds the red/gold bleeds through and is supper hard to breed out even amongst the hens that is why the show bench folks frown on it. In addition I found out there are additional genes which a red/gold based bird might or might not have and that appear not to be sex-linked that effects color and one of those is a non sex linked red/gold gene that can be passed into Silver based birds and it seems to be a gene that is more complicated than straight recessive or dominate. 

 

If they do have the red bleed through it would not surprise me as game fowl are bred first for performance and second for looks, in much the same way egg production birds are bred for performance versus the show bird version of that breed... so a RIR Production line bird will not look the same as a RIR Show line bird, you can tell they are both RIRs but one will look "prettier" than the other, and the less SOP one will probably lay eggs better. The ideal would be a bird that performs the task it is bred for well and looks SOP.

 

Just some thoughts from a backyard keeper of chickens.

Great points and one of the reasons I enjoy the games so much!  Show birds are bred for looks and generally breed true, but gamefowl are bred for performance and there are a lot of underlying genes that influence the basic color patterns, which makes predicting colors in crosses very unpredictable.

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Elevatedruby not with any certainty yet
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