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post #51 of 77
12/28/11 at 8:59pm
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Originally Posted by chickened 

According to the chart you need a male of the fast feathering from the left side of the chart crossed with a female from the slow feathering breeds from the right side of the chart and then the pullets produced will be fast feathering and the cocks will be slow feathering.  This method is only reliable for less than 3 days but my freind that has a hatchery said some breeds only give about a 6 hour window of opportunity.

The two you listed are from the slow feathering side of the chart you would need a cock from the left column of the chart to cross to your wyandottes and rocks.  A brown leghorn would be a good cross.


ok, i think i get it now, thanks!

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post #52 of 77
12/28/11 at 9:01pm

You may get a sexlink with this cross though. If the BLRW has the red gene which I think it does than you would get some type of sexlink crossing it with a barred rock.

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Originally Posted by mrs_ed 
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Originally Posted by Lothiriel 
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Originally Posted by chickened 

I am not 100% sure on this but in order to feather sex the parents need be a hen with fast feathering gene and a male with slow feathering gene but you get the slow feather gene in the hens to carry on but not the fast feathering in the cocks so mating siblings would not make feather sexing accurate in the offspring second generation and subsequent hatchings.  Correct?


Actually it's the opposite. wink

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Originally Posted by tadkerson 

Feather Sexing Chicks

Color sexing chicks can be a difficult task and is dependent upon the phenotype of the chick.  If a chick does not have the correct down color, then you can not color sex the chick.  There is a way of using another sex-linked trait to sex chicks based upon the size of the primary and secondary feathers on the wing of a newly hatched chick.

Feather sexing chicks can be accomplished by crossing males that are homozygous for rapid feather growth or carry two rapid feather growth alleles ( k+/k+) with females that are hemizygous or carry only one slow feather growth allele ( K/_W).

The female parent contributes a dominant gene for slow feather growth (K) to all the male offspring while the female offspring will inherit only one rapid feather growth allele ( k+)  from the father. This cross produces males that have slow feather growth (K/k+) and females that have rapid feather growth (k+/_W). 

   
The following site provides an excellent example of how to tell the difference between a rapid feathering female (pullet) chick and a slow feathering male (cockerel) chick. You have to examine the feathers on the wings of the newly hatched chick. Wait until the down dries and examine the wing feathers.

http://animalsciences.missouri.edu/reprod/ReproTech/Feathersex/sld006.htm


The table below contains some of the birds that can be crossed to produce chicks that can be feather sexed.

Any of the males in the table, can be crossed with any of the females in the table to produce offspring that can be feather sexed. If you purchased your birds from a hatchery, check with the hatchery to see if the hatchery feather sexed the birds you purchased. If your stock was feather sexed, then the chickens can not be used for feather sexing crosses. 


http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/3796_13371_sexfaether.jpg


http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=261208


so according to this chart, if i have a blue laced red wyandotte roo crossed with barred rock, if its a female she will feather out slower than a male? Im sorry this is so confusing to me im trying to wrap my brain around it.

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post #53 of 77
12/28/11 at 9:07pm
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a sex link? interesting, i only have one egg in lockdown from this match up so will be interesting to see what pops out! smile

"as for you o Lord, you will not restrain your mercy from me; your steadfast love and your faithfulness will ever preserve me" ps 40:11

 

20 chickens and counting, love my Savior, my husband, and my 3 little boys :)

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"as for you o Lord, you will not restrain your mercy from me; your steadfast love and your faithfulness will ever preserve me" ps 40:11

 

20 chickens and counting, love my Savior, my husband, and my 3 little boys :)

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post #54 of 77
12/28/11 at 9:08pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by chickened 

You may get a sexlink with this cross though. If the BLRW has the red gene which I think it does than you would get some type of sexlink crossing it with a barred rock.

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Originally Posted by mrs_ed 

so according to this chart, if i have a blue laced red wyandotte roo crossed with barred rock, if its a female she will feather out slower than a male? Im sorry this is so confusing to me im trying to wrap my brain around it.



Yes, you would. The color of the rooster doesn't matter, as long as he's not barred. When you cross him over your barred hen you will get black Sexlinks. It's on that sex link info thread under "Black Sex-Linked." smile

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post #55 of 77
12/28/11 at 9:10pm

I would be curious to see what an adult or chick looks like, my guess is the chick will be black with a white spot on its head or solid black. Not sure on an adult.  Le us know. smile

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Originally Posted by mrs_ed 

a sex link? interesting, i only have one egg in lockdown from this match up so will be interesting to see what pops out! smile

"Guns don't kill people abortion kills people."

 

The human will is too powerful for philosophy or science.

 

 

Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton agreed on little publicly, but they did agree that when the public treasury becomes a public trough and the voters recognize that, they will send to government only those who promise them a bigger piece of the pie

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"Guns don't kill people abortion kills people."

 

The human will is too powerful for philosophy or science.

 

 

Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton agreed on little publicly, but they did agree that when the public treasury becomes a public trough and the voters recognize that, they will send to government only those who promise them a bigger piece of the pie

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post #56 of 77
12/28/11 at 9:15pm
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i will post pics

Quote:
Originally Posted by chickened 

I would be curious to see what an adult or chick looks like, my guess is the chick will be black with a white spot on its head or solid black. Not sure on an adult.  Le us know. smile

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrs_ed 

a sex link? interesting, i only have one egg in lockdown from this match up so will be interesting to see what pops out! smile


"as for you o Lord, you will not restrain your mercy from me; your steadfast love and your faithfulness will ever preserve me" ps 40:11

 

20 chickens and counting, love my Savior, my husband, and my 3 little boys :)

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"as for you o Lord, you will not restrain your mercy from me; your steadfast love and your faithfulness will ever preserve me" ps 40:11

 

20 chickens and counting, love my Savior, my husband, and my 3 little boys :)

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post #57 of 77
12/28/11 at 9:15pm

The rooster in a Black Sexlink cross does NOT have to have the gold gene to make black sexlinks, that is only for Red Sexlinks,  any color roo can be used for black sexlinks as long as he's NOT barred and NOT carrying dominant white.   So if you breed a BLR roo with a Barred rock hen, since he isn't barred or dom white, you will get sexlinks, but some of them will be blue and that may complicate the visibility of the white spot on the males.

And no this same cross wouldn't be feather sexed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by chickened 

You may get a sexlink with this cross though. If the BLRW has the red gene which I think it does than you would get some type of sexlink crossing it with a barred rock.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrs_ed 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lothiriel 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chickened 

I am not 100% sure on this but in order to feather sex the parents need be a hen with fast feathering gene and a male with slow feathering gene but you get the slow feather gene in the hens to carry on but not the fast feathering in the cocks so mating siblings would not make feather sexing accurate in the offspring second generation and subsequent hatchings.  Correct?


Actually it's the opposite. wink

http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=261208


so according to this chart, if i have a blue laced red wyandotte roo crossed with barred rock, if its a female she will feather out slower than a male? Im sorry this is so confusing to me im trying to wrap my brain around it.


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post #58 of 77
12/28/11 at 9:16pm
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gosh i just love chicken smart ppl, thanks! smile i will go look up that thread smile

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lothiriel 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chickened 

You may get a sexlink with this cross though. If the BLRW has the red gene which I think it does than you would get some type of sexlink crossing it with a barred rock.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrs_ed 

so according to this chart, if i have a blue laced red wyandotte roo crossed with barred rock, if its a female she will feather out slower than a male? Im sorry this is so confusing to me im trying to wrap my brain around it.



Yes, you would. The color of the rooster doesn't matter, as long as he's not barred. When you cross him over your barred hen you will get black Sexlinks. It's on that sex link info thread under "Black Sex-Linked." smile

"as for you o Lord, you will not restrain your mercy from me; your steadfast love and your faithfulness will ever preserve me" ps 40:11

 

20 chickens and counting, love my Savior, my husband, and my 3 little boys :)

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"as for you o Lord, you will not restrain your mercy from me; your steadfast love and your faithfulness will ever preserve me" ps 40:11

 

20 chickens and counting, love my Savior, my husband, and my 3 little boys :)

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post #59 of 77
12/28/11 at 9:28pm
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Originally Posted by mrs_ed 

gosh i just love chicken smart ppl, thanks! smile i will go look up that thread smile


It's right here. smilehttp://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=261208

~Heather

 

"Music is what makes me dream... It's what makes me desire something..."

 

~Her Passion for Poultry~    ~Larksong Photography~

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~Heather

 

"Music is what makes me dream... It's what makes me desire something..."

 

~Her Passion for Poultry~    ~Larksong Photography~

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post #60 of 77
12/28/11 at 9:31pm

Also guys, on this feather sexing chart, this is only going to be accurate if the breeds you are using are pure for the gene they should be, like what we were discussing earlier in this thread, many hatcheries are now producing feather sexed chicks of the "pure breeds" which is going to make any of these chicks you buy from these hatcheries, impure for the feathering gene the birds is known to have, that will completely void these chicks from being about to be used in this chart. For example I know the chicks I bought from Privett were feather sexed, and the pullets were rapid feathering, so let's used the Silver laced Wyandottes for example, in the chart, they are listed as a slow feathering breed for the hen side, but since these SLW pullets were produced from a feather sexing cross, the will not be able to be used in a feather sexing cross, in the exact same way that you can't uses color sexed sexlinks in another sexlink cross.

Clint     


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