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No Robert I am not related to Henry Miller of Myerstown, PA though I knew Henry for a number of years; though I would have preferred if you would have asked how I was related to Golda Miller of Bern Kansas!

 

Henry was and is NOT the last string man. There are lots of us who knew and know how to do it. And there are string men (and women) today too! They just don't realize they are stringers! I call them accidental stringers and accidental judges who aren't catching what's going on!

 

Henry was truly one of  the last "knowledgeable" string man. He knew exactly what he was doing and exactly what he was looking for. We used to refer to string men as the "hucksters" of the poultry world because if you couldn't find it, they could make it for you! A string man made stew and a breeder made soup. Stew is murky and you don't know what's in it or how it got started whereas  soup is clear and you can identify all the ingredients that led up to the final product!

 

String men are one of the reasons the SOP has a bad reputation even today. Because you can in fact ( if you are really good or really lucky) manipulate a bunch of breeds especially solid colored breeds to get a bird that will match SOP perfectly all the while being a true mutt! A healthy mutt but a mutt nonetheless.

 

Golda always liked telling friends( and anyone who would listen really) the story of how she would always "quietly and politely drag the judge along and educate him". Well she wasn't wrong and there are judges that can't tell a Black Giant from a Black Java; which leaves something to be desired. And I know of very few judges (and I mean no disrespect to the living or the dead) who could have picked out one of Henry's show stoppers as being a mutt. Which is why Henry had A LOT of champion mutts!

 

String men are like snake oil salesmen they have what you want for what ails and can fix all your problems for  you but the problem is when you got it home it never did what is was supposed to do in the first place.

 

Do I fault Henry? No sir. He played within the rules and cheated the system honestly and he never made any bones about what he was doing. It is why I mentioned in an earlier post why the ABA fell miserably short of creating an SOP for breeding purposes. Had the SOP listed breeding lineage and records as part of a requirement for breeds to be admitted; string men could never have succeeded in their pursuits! (Oh and yes I realize there are breeds far older than the SOP which could never have been properly charted and labeled but certainly any breed created after 1850 could have been easily identified and by 1875 with the first Standard of Excellence could have mandated that all future breeds be fully documented as to origins and lineages. Why didn't this happen? Those men are long gone and the dead tell no tales but I know for a fact there were more than a few string men involved with the ABA directly during the early days. Maybe they didn't want things to clearly defined perhaps? Just an old man's assumption.

 

By the way, Henry was a lovable, cantankerous codger ( yes I am the black pot calling the kettle black) who was honest as the day was long. He'd mostly never sell his stock to a fellow breeder as "pure" but he would almost always  sell to fanciers as "winners". Most of us in the old days knew who to buy from and who not to buy from!

 

 

 

 


Edited by AllenWMiller - 2/2/12 at 6:56am
post #42 of 314

Crank--before I got my copy I read the c1935 version that my library ordered for me!  It is essentially the same...kinda!~  See if your library can obtain one for you to read...I found it fascinating and had to have my own!  Terri O

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Calling all Wisconsinites....come and enjoy the days of winter with us on the "Cheesehead" thread!  http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=245700
And you might want to check THIS out! http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/734707/fourth-annual-bigzios-wi-cheesehead-chickenstock-thread
My Motto: " Don't just do it, overdo it"

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post #43 of 314
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I agree wholeheartedly with Terri. If your library can get you a copy it really doesn't matter what year you start with as any year is valuable. And even the 2010 SOP still follows the same format as say the 1915 or 1974 version. Language or nuances may be slightly different but all make good study material. I often go back to my old Standards and read them side by side with the 2010. As it happens the old versions are almost always "right".

post #44 of 314

I thank ya. I will check with the library. As ya know Im into the jersey giants and the 2010 version of the SOP has them exempt. so Im lookn around to try and find something on them.

proud owner of dots and Giants.............
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post #45 of 314
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Crankster have you visited the homeland of the Giants? Below is the link to the National Jersey Giant Club:

 

http://nationaljerseygiantclub.com/

 

They have some good history and connections for the Giant breed.

 

Likewise, I will pull an early version of the SOP and write up a full Giant outline as I just recently did for the New Hampshire to help you along.

 

Cheers

 

 

post #46 of 314

American Poultry Association sells the 2010 SOP here:

http://www.amerpoultryassn.com/APA_ShoppingMall3.htm

 

The 1910 SOP is available online here (google books) check out the color plates between pages 20 & 21 and 22 & 23 and 26 & 27:

http://books.google.com/books?id=YwYYAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA5&dq=1910+standard+of+perfection+for+poultry&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6PMpT7OrJ8jq2QXnu52RDw&ved=0CEgQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=1910%20standard%20of%20perfection%20for%20poultry&f=false

post #47 of 314
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Thanks much CG. Yes Google is a great and nice and  free public resource!

 

 

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"Thank you for this wonder full comment"

Personally as a beginner I am finding this article very informative,and I encourage to keep posting.

Iam a suscriber to the feather fancier and have read a article on dry incubation is room humidity not supposed to replace the water in the incubator?

post #49 of 314
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I've posted in "dry" incubation on another string so I won't go into much here as this string is geared mainly toward SOP and breeding.

 

Room temp and humidity certainly influence the incubator as well as hatcher but say 60% room humidity doesn't necessarily equate to 60% inside the units as they are "closed" to the room. Maintaining good temp/humidity levels in the room containing the units is important so that the units  do not run excessively to "fight" against a cold and/or a dry room. Likewise, maintaining say 70f and 60% relative humidity in the room assist when opening the units to turn eggs, candle, etc by making it easier for the unit to quickly return to its preset conditions.

 

As I stated in the other string, "dry" incubation is an oxymoron because you cannot hatch any Aves in a "Dry" artificial system. "Low" humidity incubation would be a better description but even this I don't recommend.

 

For more info in this subject string check out other excellent strings on the subject. Below is the string I mentioned:

 

http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/618788/dry-incubation-now-with-photos-how-low-is-too-low-10-humidity-answered-no/40#post_8313139

 

 

Cheers

 

JA


Edited by AllenWMiller - 2/1/12 at 7:26pm
post #50 of 314

There are two Standards of Perfections. The ABA (all bantams and bantam ducks) and the APA (bantams, large fowl, turkeys guineas and waterfowl). There are differences between the two. Not so much in breed descriptions, but what breeds the two organizations recognize. The ABA was founded in 1917. The APA is the oldest livestock organization in the US and was founded in 1874.

 

The APA SOP does have the origins of breeds in beginning of the breed description. The 2010 APA SOP has several more breeds/varieties than  the earlier versions. Most of the descriptions are the same through the years, with slight changes made to clarify points.

 

The last REAL stringman was Wilber Stauffer of Canton OH who just recently passed.

 

Walt

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