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post #71 of 199

My intent is not to be hostile. But simply to say that if the birds don't fit the breed standard as young birds, they will never fit the standard as old birds. These birds are still "new" in some sense of the word. There are many judges out there that don't even know what the standard calls for when it comes to this breed and I have been to plenty of shows where a bird or birds are placed that don't meet their breed standard. It requires much education to get them recognized well enough where they do well at all shows. There are "breeders" out there that are doing a large disservice to the breed by breeding from birds that are 1. Not true to breed type or variety type. and 2. increasing numbers but not quality. If you look at most of the Metzer birds, they are both, and since the pictures are the same in the McMurray brochure it appears they do the same as well. Just this past Fall at the Crossroads National in Indy there was a man there selling birds (full grown young birds and old birds) that the vast majority of them had offcolored bills, feet, and poor coloring. He claimed that he took "great pride" in his breeder birds, and only bred Welsh Harlequins. But none of the birds he was selling fit their breed standard, and if he was selling them as Culls, they weren't advertised that way or priced as such.

 Here on our place we have carefully selected each breeder bird to ensure they meet their breed standard. We cull birds with even slight off color because it preserves our true-to-form flock, and it is important to us to make sure each bird is breed specific. I've seen a lot of people that ask on here if their birds fit their breed's standard and then when told, no. They say, "thats okay I just want them to sell hatching eggs from, I don't show them."

It is likely from your birds that after several generations you will notice birds that hatch really lightly marked and don't get much darker over the period of successive molts. From experience these birds need to be culled or you end up with light males and even lighter females. If you would be interested in hatching eggs from our flock, we would be happy to send you some for the cost of shipping. This would give you some outside blood, and you don't normally see 99% of the time, see the light bills in our birds no matter age, so you could possibly raise them and then mix them into your breeding pens and see how it goes. (This offer is to sherylreno only!) We will have eggs for sale later this Spring if anyone else is interested.

Well to me that means they don't care to learn, and don't care about the breeds they are trying to "preserve".

I may come across as gruff because I type as I think, but I know from experience that once you have a strong foundation, it doesn't take much to build on it. If you start on a bad foundation, you will only have more and more trouble. There is VERY good Welsh Harlequin stock out there, you could easily replace that hen with the light bill and hopefully save lots of culling in the long run. I would love to be able to see your birds in a class with some of ours at the shows. Around us there are a few breeders now to give us competition these days. When we started we had the only ones in this area for a long time, and it was no fun winning BB and RB with no one else to compete against.

K&S Waterfowl
Snowy Mallards, Welsh Harlequin, East Indie Ducks, Gray Indian Runners

Pilgrim & Tufted Roman Geese. 

Silkie/Showgirl/Sizzles in White & Paint
www.kswaterfowl.blogspot.com   or    www.kswaterfowl.webs.com
 

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K&S Waterfowl
Snowy Mallards, Welsh Harlequin, East Indie Ducks, Gray Indian Runners

Pilgrim & Tufted Roman Geese. 

Silkie/Showgirl/Sizzles in White & Paint
www.kswaterfowl.blogspot.com   or    www.kswaterfowl.webs.com
 

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post #72 of 199
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Thank you Jason. I truly appreciate your input here.

Happily Married for 32 years. 3 FBCM (Alberto, Bridgette & Maybelline), BLRW (Lacey), LA (Amanda), Orpington/Delaware (Bella), CM (Monique). RIP Wynonna - 3/23/11-3/25/12, Little Guy (LG) - 4/28/-5/6/12, Harmony - 3/17-9/7/12, Leroy - 3/7/12-4/14/13

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Happily Married for 32 years. 3 FBCM (Alberto, Bridgette & Maybelline), BLRW (Lacey), LA (Amanda), Orpington/Delaware (Bella), CM (Monique). RIP Wynonna - 3/23/11-3/25/12, Little Guy (LG) - 4/28/-5/6/12, Harmony - 3/17-9/7/12, Leroy - 3/7/12-4/14/13

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post #73 of 199
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(This offer is to sherylreno only!)

Darn, I would kill to get eggs from you! But im broke. Maybe when I have some extra $$ in spring....
A small flock of ducks (3 welsh harlequins and a rouen) a pair of american geese, a lovely anatiolian shepherd, and 10 ducklings ariving on march 18th!!!!!!

Come visit the blogs!!!

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A small flock of ducks (3 welsh harlequins and a rouen) a pair of american geese, a lovely anatiolian shepherd, and 10 ducklings ariving on march 18th!!!!!!

Come visit the blogs!!!

beforehoneycreekhollow.blogspot.com
honeycreekhollow.blogspot.com
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post #74 of 199
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Oh my gosh, I just candled the duck eggs and one of them was moving. It look liked it was waving at me. My heart is so blessed right now.

 

But if you save up for them then you can get some.


Edited by sherylreno - 3/7/12 at 6:18pm

Happily Married for 32 years. 3 FBCM (Alberto, Bridgette & Maybelline), BLRW (Lacey), LA (Amanda), Orpington/Delaware (Bella), CM (Monique). RIP Wynonna - 3/23/11-3/25/12, Little Guy (LG) - 4/28/-5/6/12, Harmony - 3/17-9/7/12, Leroy - 3/7/12-4/14/13

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Happily Married for 32 years. 3 FBCM (Alberto, Bridgette & Maybelline), BLRW (Lacey), LA (Amanda), Orpington/Delaware (Bella), CM (Monique). RIP Wynonna - 3/23/11-3/25/12, Little Guy (LG) - 4/28/-5/6/12, Harmony - 3/17-9/7/12, Leroy - 3/7/12-4/14/13

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post #75 of 199
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6 more days and little ducklings should be hatching all over in the incubator. This is going to be really a fun day to watch them hatch.

Happily Married for 32 years. 3 FBCM (Alberto, Bridgette & Maybelline), BLRW (Lacey), LA (Amanda), Orpington/Delaware (Bella), CM (Monique). RIP Wynonna - 3/23/11-3/25/12, Little Guy (LG) - 4/28/-5/6/12, Harmony - 3/17-9/7/12, Leroy - 3/7/12-4/14/13

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Happily Married for 32 years. 3 FBCM (Alberto, Bridgette & Maybelline), BLRW (Lacey), LA (Amanda), Orpington/Delaware (Bella), CM (Monique). RIP Wynonna - 3/23/11-3/25/12, Little Guy (LG) - 4/28/-5/6/12, Harmony - 3/17-9/7/12, Leroy - 3/7/12-4/14/13

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post #76 of 199

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I got a trio of welsh harlequins today from a guy locally that was moving.  They are about a year old and are from a breeder in Oregon.  I would appreciate any thoughts on them.  I know they might not be top quality not sure they are just for my backyard flock anyways but wanted to get some opinions from the experts.

 

Also I have a dilema...  He gave me a drake for free when I got the pair and not I have one hen and two drakes.  I am worried they will breed her to death... any recommendations?  Should I get rid of a drake immediately?

 

Thanks so much!

post #77 of 199
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I'm not an expert in any means but they sure are pretty. The hen looks like she has a white band on her neck. The 2 drakes are going to over mate her challenging each other. Once one is done then the other must start and the cycle will continue. You can get more ducks though to help them out or remove the drake from her.

Happily Married for 32 years. 3 FBCM (Alberto, Bridgette & Maybelline), BLRW (Lacey), LA (Amanda), Orpington/Delaware (Bella), CM (Monique). RIP Wynonna - 3/23/11-3/25/12, Little Guy (LG) - 4/28/-5/6/12, Harmony - 3/17-9/7/12, Leroy - 3/7/12-4/14/13

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Happily Married for 32 years. 3 FBCM (Alberto, Bridgette & Maybelline), BLRW (Lacey), LA (Amanda), Orpington/Delaware (Bella), CM (Monique). RIP Wynonna - 3/23/11-3/25/12, Little Guy (LG) - 4/28/-5/6/12, Harmony - 3/17-9/7/12, Leroy - 3/7/12-4/14/13

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post #78 of 199
I guess I will either sell one or butcher one because I don't know of anyone local who has and more welch hens. And I don't have any place to just pin up one drake and that's no life. what ratio should I shoot for with hens and drakes?

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post #79 of 199
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Originally Posted by michaelinnc84 View Post

I guess I will either sell one or butcher one because I don't know of anyone local who has and more welch hens. And I don't have any place to just pin up one drake and that's no life. what ratio should I shoot for with hens and drakes?
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Their pretty love.gif ... Am I still hatching you some ducklings? hu.gif

They will deffinetly hurt her. have any other ducks? You could.put the hen with them, and keep the drakes together...
A small flock of ducks (3 welsh harlequins and a rouen) a pair of american geese, a lovely anatiolian shepherd, and 10 ducklings ariving on march 18th!!!!!!

Come visit the blogs!!!

beforehoneycreekhollow.blogspot.com
honeycreekhollow.blogspot.com
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A small flock of ducks (3 welsh harlequins and a rouen) a pair of american geese, a lovely anatiolian shepherd, and 10 ducklings ariving on march 18th!!!!!!

Come visit the blogs!!!

beforehoneycreekhollow.blogspot.com
honeycreekhollow.blogspot.com
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post #80 of 199
They are both mating with her and mating with each other so I need to do something soon. I should have never agrred to take both drakes. I have a pair of muscovy but no other ducks.
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