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post #71 of 80
3/13/12 at 11:02pm

Okay, so I watch the video twice.  I am confused now.

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post #72 of 80
3/13/12 at 11:08pm

I am going to add another boy.  That littlest one is a runty cockerel who is at the bottom of the pecking order.  He isn't showing color and development because of that.  I see it in my own birds.  In fact, I have boys who are almost a year old and just getting red because their is another roo in their pen who is the dom and they are just starting to get roostery.

 

 

And, the Black is also looking very much like his other brothers once you see the video.

 

I am down to 1 pullet, the other Splash.

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post #73 of 80
3/17/12 at 11:11am
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Do you guys still see one male among the splash and the blue and black, all boys?

I see one boy (splash) and all the rest girls... I am all puzzled here

 

 

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post #74 of 80
3/17/12 at 9:21pm

How old are these now?

I stick by what I said about the smallest one, I think it is a submissive cockerel.  In the first picture, the 3 standing around it, look at the wattles.  For this age, you don't see wattles on a pullet.  Add that to the color and the size and color of the comb.  I am still calling those cockerels.

I wish I were wrong for your sake, but I am pretty sure you only have 1 girl in the bunch.

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post #75 of 80
3/18/12 at 5:35am

I agree, I think you have 1or 2 females and the rest males. Here are a couple of pictures of some 6 week old chicks I had. All turned out to be males. I had already taken out the chicks I thought were the females.

 

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post #76 of 80
3/18/12 at 6:20am

I have Orps...and I find them monumentally difficult to sex.  Every time.  *sigh*  

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post #77 of 80
3/18/12 at 7:05am

In birds, the sex of the embryo is determined by the egg, not the sperm (as it is in humans). Temperature at incubation cannot change the sex of a fetus.

 

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This question addresses how sex is determined in chickens genetically.

In birds, the sex of the embryo is determined by the egg, not the sperm (as it is in humans). Avian sex differentiation is not determined by XY chromosomes like it is in humans and most mammals (or even the XO system used by some insects). In those systems the sex is determined by the sperm, by what the male contributes to the offspring. By contrast, birds have a ZW system of sex determination (shared with butterflies, moths, fish and reptiles). In that system, sex is determined by the female within her ova, and the sex of offspring is not affected at all by the sperm which the male contributes. Some people think it is this difference which makes parthenogenesis possible for birds. Parthenogenesis occurs when unfertilized eggs see embryonic development.

The truth is that these parthenogenetic eggs are extremely unlikely to hatch, and in most studies, avian parthenogenesis is reported to occur more frequently with turkeys than chickens. (One book I have seen reports just the opposite.) Most parthenogenetic development only involves a few organized cells, and it closely resembles normal embryonic death within the first three days of development in fertilized eggs. Parthenogenesis ceases when the eggs are incubated, although it is theoretically possible for one to hatch. Reports suggest that offspring could be males that could then reproduce sexually. Some suggest that parthenogenesis is more common when males are absent from the parent flock, and that parthenogenesis is nature's way of providing for what is missing.

And now for a bit of related trivia: in Ireland in the 12th century, the barnacle goose was believed to be parthenogenetic, to reproduce without mating. Therefore, priests and religious people could still eat this goose during fast days (days in which normally one could not eat meat without sin). The reason is that the barnacle goose wasn't considered flesh, as it wasn't "a product of the flesh." It was thought barnacle geese reproduced out of driftwood, probably because they were migratory and never seen in the summer while they were reproducing. In 1215 Pope Innocent III outlawed the practice of eating the reputedly parthenogentic barnacle goose on fast days. However, eating the barnacle goose (and later, just any type of goose) is still traditional in England for the religious holiday of Christmas.

Who would have thought that weird, geeky chicken knowledge would lead you to the traditional English Christmas goose?

 

 

Male chicks might need higher incubation temps and thus die off at a colder temp.

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post #78 of 80
3/18/12 at 8:26am

So much for "scientific evidence" and feather sexing.  Some breeds can be feather sexed, but some can't.  If lower temperatures worked, the hatcheries would be doing it.  

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post #79 of 80
3/18/12 at 8:29am
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The were born between Feb 2-3. I am still confused about the black one. I definitely see male behaviors in one splash and the blues, bluffing at each other. 

I'll wait one or two more weeks before giving away the boys.

 

Thank you all so much for your opinions on the photos in the last few weeks.

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post #80 of 80
3/19/12 at 11:52am

Good luck with them.  I hope I am wrong on at least one for you to get at least 2 pullets, but I am not sure you are going to get that.

The good thing is that now is a great time to get some other chicks for pullets!

I wish I had some Blue Orps ready, I would send you some!

 

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