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How do you keep up with all that lol?  WAYYYY too confusing !!!

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Originally Posted by deerman 

i have never seen a silver pied peacock with only a few white eyes.......if they have color train feathers those will be white eye.

 

 

even the pied white eye peacocks with alot of white don't look like silver pied......plus the peahens in silver pied have silver back feathers.......not so with a pied white eye. which carry all three genes...reason i think silver pieds carry two white eye genes

 

 

also silver pied are more white than just about all pieds......more like 70% white.

I just realized I didn't read your post correctly when I responded -- it was just before my nap (haha).

I was writing to say that Silver Pied requires having White Eyed as one of its ingredients, so when a bird is Silver Pied it automatically is White Eyed. Bdfive asked if all the Silver Pieds have White Eyes or if they have to have that gene in addition. I was responding that it's part of the package.

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Originally Posted by the4heathernsmom 

How do you keep up with all that lol?  WAYYYY too confusing !!!

really not that hard....in peafowl most colors and patterns.

just think of each bird as having pair of genes each....chicks get one from each parent.'

knowing which are dominant and recessive....in peafowl blue is dom in colors....barred wing is dom in patterns.

one parent blue/blue x 2nd parent use bronze/bronze= chicks blue/bronze one from each parent. blue is dom color so all will look blue....but that bronze color is still on the birds 2nd gene

now those blue/bronze x blue/bronze= chick with one gene from each parent again.....some blue/bronze,some blue/blue, and some bronze/bronze....blue dom ,so those will look blue, but the bronze/bronze will be bronze in color....now the blue/bronze and blue/blue will look alike, untill you breed them you cant tell.

now you can replace bronze with another color or pattern to see how it works.

now the big if....except sexlink colors or co dom.   there are 4 sex link colors w.e. is co dom.

justs  work with one color at a time really only 14 colors and 5 patterns....hear about the 200 plus...those are just from those 14 colors and 5 patterns
 

just learn about the two gene each parent has first......next sexlink which i think is easy also

hope that helps......these are not the terms used in gentic but i think it real base to understand.  rather than XY xx Homozygous and herterozygous

Very Good, Deerman.. that should help a number of people... George       connerhills..

I understand what deerman is saying . BUT I truly dont think anyone answered the original poster's question. He asked. IS THIS AN INDIA BLUE???!!! HE doesnt know WHAT its SPLIT to !!!! Isnt a blackshouldered STILL 100% IB or a white as long as somewhere down the line his parents or great great grandparents didnt cuddle up with a green or a congo ? Its just another color name. Right? This is just one of the reasons is why we are all confused. He could have been also asking could it have green or spaulding  blood in it and then how would you know anyway short of a DNA test. Which I wonder if that would even work .  Curious  about all this myself. Pretty bird either way  Any genetics man want to explain this to all of us better Thanks

I am honest as the day is long. I dont post on the peafowl forum much at all. I dont keep peafowl...yet. Hopefully getting some pure green babies this summer. My gut feeling is NO ONE on here  or anywhere for that matter could tell you what you actually have short of the DNA test  anymore in the world of peafowl sorry to say. I will say this though. Im pretty sure deerman can tell you what this birds coloration is called according to the APA reconized color standards chart of up to now i think over 200 different listed birds.Maybe ya got 201   Seriously though. From what I know that man knows his stuff when it comes to peafowl.  He keeps a bunch and great records to boot. Ill probably really drive him crazy with questions when I get mine .  Thats why Im waiting for my questions to be answered on my chiming in post as well. I cant have an IB becuse of the noise factor.( I live in the city plus dont want to tick off my neighbors )I know they all make noise.Although My friend assures me the greens are not near as bad as the blues.Otherwise they are just as beautiful also. Alot cheaper too. I heard they are a lot more wild and not as friendly. The parents are skittish as all get out.That's for sure. But Im going to do my darndest with hatchlings to make em friendly. Ive did it with wild waterfowl, Which is what I mainly keep. Also with some ornamental pheasants.If it dont work out I can easily sell them as they are kinda rare. Good luck with your birds what ever they turn out to be..

We're discussing the same thing on an other thread, and our guess is that it's simply something due to domestication, but we're still hypothesizing on this.

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Originally Posted by new 2 pfowl 

Hey! Thank you for chiming in on my behalf, Destinduck!

 

Between this thread and the other thread on a similar wing-pattern topic:

The impression I get is that this wing marking isn't all that meaningful in terms of what you can call my guy.

It seems that since there isn't a solid, dark patch on his wing, it's impossible to say for sure that he is anything other than IB.

 

I'm sure someone will let us know if that's not the case...

 

well he does look like a 100% IB,  even if the color patch on his shoulder shows he split BS ,he still is IB. being that old, BS were around in the IB.

destin is correct with all the spalding  that have been breed , when you get to very low % or real high%  of blue blood...it can be real hard to see ,without proper breeding record nothing is 100%

Few thing in this birds case ......being hatch over 20 years ago....you can remove a lot of the other mutation, and he doesn't look like he has any green blood in him , like wise that shoulder pattern doesn't look like bs split birds i have seen
 

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Originally Posted by destinduck 

I understand what deerman is saying . BUT I truly dont think anyone answered the original poster's question. He asked. IS THIS AN INDIA BLUE???!!! HE doesnt know WHAT its SPLIT to !!!! Isnt a blackshouldered STILL 100% IB or a white as long as somewhere down the line his parents or great great grandparents didnt cuddle up with a green or a congo ? Its just another color name. Right? This is just one of the reasons is why we are all confused. He could have been also asking could it have green or spaulding  blood in it and then how would you know anyway short of a DNA test. Which I wonder if that would even work .  Curious  about all this myself. Pretty bird either way  Any genetics man want to explain this to all of us better Thanks

Yes it could be 100% IB and still be blackshoulder  '

BS is not a color but a pattern, (change in color arrangement )

BS can be found in pure IB , also spalding or any of the other mutation color like opal bs(silver grey shoulder)  peach bs, purple bs, cameo bs, (all three different shade of brown shoulders)
 

one thing i have trouble with is the jade...the color mutation was found in spalding...but yet UPA list it in IB colors.    and if it can be breed back to IB to be Jade IB, then by breeding any color back to green enough you could have a bronze java, a white java , a silver pied java and etc.

so in my book they got that one wrong...CAN'T HAVE A JADE IB

Myself I think DNA test would work, if people would pay the cost, lot of breeder do on the green ,for sexing them.