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milliefleur genetics--anyone know how to make it?

post #1 of 5
2/23/12 at 8:18pm
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I have an idea and would like to know if it is possible.  I would like to make millie fleur frizzled showgirls.

 

this is what I have to work with

 

millie fleur d'uccle hen

white showgirl roo

splash showgirl roo

black(split lavender) silkie roo

black frizzle roo

 

if none of those work what would I need to get?

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post #2 of 5
2/24/12 at 6:46am
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Originally Posted by Bator Babies View Post

I have an idea and would like to know if it is possible.  I would like to make millie fleur frizzled showgirls.

this is what I have to work with

millie fleur d'uccle hen
white showgirl roo
splash showgirl roo
black(split lavender) silkie roo
black frizzle roo

if none of those work what would I need to get?

Don't use the white. I would get the colour correct before adding frizzle. Breed the mille to the black silkie or splash showgirl. Breed the offspring to each other. None of the first generation will show mottling. Some in second should. You will have a very wide assortment of phenotypes in this second generation to select from. The more you hatch, the better the odds of finding ones you want to use.

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post #3 of 5
2/24/12 at 8:28pm
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Originally Posted by Sonoran Silkies View Post


Don't use the white. I would get the colour correct before adding frizzle. Breed the mille to the black silkie or splash showgirl. Breed the offspring to each other. None of the first generation will show mottling. Some in second should. You will have a very wide assortment of phenotypes in this second generation to select from. The more you hatch, the better the odds of finding ones you want to use.


any guess on how many generations it would take before I get millie feathering?
 

 

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post #4 of 5
2/25/12 at 3:52pm

Use the Black Frizzle male.

 

All chicks will come out looking like black chicks. They will grow up looking like red birchen and/or black. You will want to hatch many as you can to be sure that the frizzle gene (F) and its relate modifier gene (mf) are in the correct association and on a male.

 

(Note: if either bird is not “pure” for their color, then all bets are off and your trail gets more complicated)

 

The 2nd year, choose one of the male F1 birds created that has good frizzling and put him over his mother (the Mille).  Hatch as many eggs from this cross as possible.  You are working against statistic now.  Some of the F2 offspring will be frizzled and Mille Fleur.

 

For a few years you may battle some melanin genes. Careful breeding will eliminate that. If it becomes a problem just take the best Mille frizzle you made and put him over some regular Milles again. Using Milles that are not closely related to your original line will improve vigor a little as well.

 

Good luck!

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post #5 of 5
2/26/12 at 1:19pm
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Originally Posted by Birkshire-Spur View Post

Use the Black Frizzle male.

 

All chicks will come out looking like black chicks. They will grow up looking like red birchen and/or black. You will want to hatch many as you can to be sure that the frizzle gene (F) and its relate modifier gene (mf) are in the correct association and on a male.

 

(Note: if either bird is not “pure” for their color, then all bets are off and your trail gets more complicated)

 

The 2nd year, choose one of the male F1 birds created that has good frizzling and put him over his mother (the Mille).  Hatch as many eggs from this cross as possible.  You are working against statistic now.  Some of the F2 offspring will be frizzled and Mille Fleur.

 

For a few years you may battle some melanin genes. Careful breeding will eliminate that. If it becomes a problem just take the best Mille frizzle you made and put him over some regular Milles again. Using Milles that are not closely related to your original line will improve vigor a little as well.

 

Good luck!



thanks----it sounds like a fun thing to do

 

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