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post #71 of 75
3/2/12 at 1:43pm
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Originally Posted by Keltara View Post

You said:

 

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Again I am not saying sand wont work as a chicken litter box.....simply that there are much better ways


 

Here are several quotes from you indicating the fabricated perils of sand (keeping in mind that we are talking about chicken runs).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



 



not anywhere did any of those say dont use sand it wont work.....I simply pointed out the downside, which I unlike you backed up with documentation (the mixtue of sand and clay does not care if it has chckens on top or not) that supported my point....I then offered my own OPINION on the options.  The OP asked for what to do.  I simply offered an option besides sand.   Thats what they were asking for.   The OP did not say tell me how great sand is  or even ask about sand.   They simply asked for options.     I am very glad it works well for you and how you want your chickens kept.  Other things work well for other people.

 

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post #72 of 75
3/2/12 at 1:56pm
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organick,

 

I find it funny that of your posts on amending clay soil there is not one that I can say is from your own knowledge, they are all Dr. Chalker-Scott’s beliefs and you just reworded them to fit this thread. 

 

Is there a reason for this?

 

 

Chris 



Because I cited that article.  I am not rewording anything.  I was backing up a point with research.  Another poster posted research as well.   I also stated that I have clay soil I work with all the time.   Have I used sand?  No  because I did RESEARCH FIRST......here maybe North Carolina State University can help you

Scroll to the NOT RECOMMENDED part to save time

http://durham.ces.ncsu.edu/files/library/32/UNH%203.PDF

 

post #73 of 75
3/2/12 at 2:16pm

organick,

 

You may want to read that your self.

 

 

 

 

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Typical you have to add 6 to 8 inches of good organic material to improve clay soil, now the typical garden is only tilled at the depth of 8 inches so that means that you have to add 50% of good organic mater to improve clay soil. The same amount as what you are saying one would have to of sand to improve clay soil.

 

 

 

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incorporating organic matter at much less than 50% will improve clay(not the point I know).   just mulching with wood improves it some.......    in term of tilling i imagine that 8 inches of organic matter woul likely equate to less than a 25% mixture due to clay be compacted and compost for example being fluffy and airy

 

 

 

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It is more than 25% organic matter to improve good clay soil.

 

 

 

 

Quote: North Carolina Cooperative Extension Service (the link you posted) 
The ideal amount of organic soil amendment is 25-50% by volume. Less than 25% will not provide enough aeration, and more than 50% is actually detrimental to plant growth.

 

 

You do know that all soil is made up of Sand, Silt and Clay, and that a good draining soil is 40% Sand, 40% Silt, and 20% Clay

 

 

Chris

 

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post #74 of 75
3/2/12 at 2:52pm


 

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not anywhere did any of those say dont use sand it wont work.....I simply pointed out the downside, which I unlike you backed up with documentation (the mixtue of sand and clay does not care if it has chckens on top or not) that supported my point....I then offered my own OPINION on the options.  The OP asked for what to do.  I simply offered an option besides sand.   Thats what they were asking for.   The OP did not say tell me how great sand is  or even ask about sand.   They simply asked for options.     I am very glad it works well for you and how you want your chickens kept.  Other things work well for other people.


I'm not disputing that other things work well.  I have been defending my position which needs no research to back it.  I am a first hand witness to the effectiveness, success and benefits of using sand.  Why on earth would I logically research the effectiveness when I am relating my first hand knowledge based on actual experience.  You are citing other peoples research on soil amendment as it relates to gardening.  I am speaking of first hand experience as it relates to chicken runs with clay as the primary foundation.  All your "downsides" as you like to call them about sand are based on soil amendment for gardening and when applied to chicken runs falls short of truth.  

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post #75 of 75
3/2/12 at 3:42pm

A few lines from the BYC thread on tone: 

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1)  We must respect that others have different opinions, but we must be civil and friendly even if we don't agree.

2) If you ever feel a post is directed to you personally and that someone may be "attacking" you, by no means respond publicly.   Hit the report button on the bottom of that post and the forum staff will review and take action if needed.

3) Express your differences of opinion as such. 

This thread has been cleaned of several instances of name calling, fighting, and flaming (attacking the other person.)  Hopefully the OP has had his question answered sufficiently.

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