So whatever happend to the national healthcare law they were trying to pass?? - Page 7  

Because we both know that the rest was as nonsensical as the first and only there to appeal to gicklevolk.  Take comfort in the fact that he loves it.  The "junkyard" post was priceless also but really not worthy of a response.  You want to know the real problem??  Google the Washington Post article that appeared in yesterdays paper where it compared health care costs here in the US to the costs for the exact same procedures in other developed countries.  It is entitled "Why does and appendectomy cost $13,000 in the US but $254.00 in India"  Read that and then go back and play in your junkyard.

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Originally Posted by cubalaya 

it is impossible to educate libtards and before you are given the privelege of voting, you should be forced to take a test on american history or the constitution to see if you even understand it. you should also have to show an i.d. this healthcare bill is 3000 pages and they passed it without even reading it. why would they do that? because they as elite senators don't have to use this healthcare. this bill was about control over the population and is unconstitutional as it stands and will be repealed as soon as we get the dictator obama out of office. the ndaa bill that allows the military to arrest american citizens and hold them without trial is also unconstitutional and was already ruled so by my state, virginia who also found obamacare to be unconstitutional. the liberal justices that obama appointed to the supreme court, especially ellena kagan should not be allowed to hear this case.

I would go so far as to say that it is not a matter of education, but a willfull, malicious,l disregard (personal loathing) for our nation's foundation. Federal level laws "flatten" our government from a "Republic" toward a "Democracy". The states become more irrelevant with each law passed.

Folks do not understand how intrusive this will become on their personal liberty. Some beaurocrat will be creating "guidelines" about how we should conduct our lives, when we will required to seek care, and what activities will be deemed injurous to our health. 

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Originally Posted by bakerjw 

Why is it that tort reform or portability of insurance between states was never even considered? Wasn't the administration that pushed this down our throats supposed to bring both sides together to determine what was best? I was between contracts during the process and clearly remember the dems going into meetings behind closed doors to come up with this crap. Why didn't they even look at coming up with plans that every state could support? Why? Because it isn't about insuring everyone. It is about control. Once everyone is covered under the government plan we will be told what we can eat, what we should weigh, etc... Check any hospital's records to see what the poor, the welfare hoard, or illegals pay. They don't pay a darn thing. Those costs are passed on to people that are insured or ones who need their help. I've been there. I went in after a cycling accident with no insurance. I paid the 100% inflated charge at risk of being sent to collection while Juan Jiminez and Betty the welfare queen didn't pay a cent. Will this bill fix the problem? Not a chance. It will get worse until there is rationing.

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Because laws are made and created by lawyers, for the enrichment of lawyers, and God forbid, they'd actually pull their hand out of the piggy bank.

It is not because of socialized medicine.

There are way too many reasons to point the finger at one. Here are a few:  Malpractice insurance, uninsured/unpaid treatment, profit margins, government regulations, and the list goes on.

Why not do as some liberals suggest and eliminate our military and then pay for a healthcare system. All these other countries that have socialized medicine can afford to pay for it when they are not defending their own freedom at their own cost as one example.

India and America are not the same in comparison we pay out on alot more then they do. We spend more on foriegn affairs than they do on their own people and how many Indians get denied an appendectomy that cannot pay. 

We treat every thing under the sun, look at the cost of treatment for preventable diseases like AIDS, STDs, lung cancer and all the other ones that are preventable so we can live a lifestyle that says "just do it".
 

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Originally Posted by Capvin 

Because we both know that the rest was as nonsensical as the first and only there to appeal to gicklevolk.  Take comfort in the fact that he loves it.  The "junkyard" post was priceless also but really not worthy of a response.  You want to know the real problem??  Google the Washington Post article that appeared in yesterdays paper where it compared health care costs here in the US to the costs for the exact same procedures in other developed countries.  It is entitled "Why does and appendectomy cost $13,000 in the US but $254.00 in India"  Read that and then go back and play in your junkyard.

For me it would be a matter of cost, if it is cheaper to go to Canada then I guess that is where I must go.  If I wanted to own a gun and live in the UK then I would go to the U.S., what is unbelievable about that?

A lot would have to change for a national healthcare system to work here.  You guys are not doing so well either you know. You have no sovereignty you are the EU now, you pretend to be independent but you are not you have the same issues as us and a few more like no land base for natural resources and are heavily dependant on importation, we will not give up our freedom or sovereignty.  Our problem is we have sold out by our politicians.  We need to bring back our manufacturing jobs and be allowed to do the work in a cost effective manner.
 

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Originally Posted by newfoundland 

Chickened you are unbelievable! You refuse to entertain the idea that a national health service paid for out of taxes could possibly work in your country and that it would be unconstitutional . Then you admit that if you faced expensive/long term treatment you would go to either Canada or UK where as you claim there is socialised health care! Also do you not realise that these countries charge foreign nationals for their treatment?

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Originally Posted by Capvin 

Because we both know that the rest was as nonsensical as the first and only there to appeal to gicklevolk.  Take comfort in the fact that he loves it.  The "junkyard" post was priceless also but really not worthy of a response.  You want to know the real problem??  Google the Washington Post article that appeared in yesterdays paper where it compared health care costs here in the US to the costs for the exact same procedures in other developed countries.  It is entitled "Why does and appendectomy cost $13,000 in the US but $254.00 in India"  Read that and then go back and play in your junkyard.

You know that the healthcare bill is exactly as I described it...A monstrosity of rules and regulations, which will be revealed and enacted, bit by bit, as the govt. sees fit. Do you really think that the average American believes that huge swaths of people, like unions or certain corporations should get a pass on the requirements, while the man who is just trying to make it, on his own, is burdened with another onerous fee? It's the old,"We need to pass it, to see what's in it" meme.
 

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Originally Posted by chickened 

 

 

We treat every thing under the sun, look at the cost of treatment for preventable diseases like AIDS, STDs, lung cancer and all the other ones that are preventable so we can live a lifestyle that says "just do it".
 

 

In terms of annual dollars spent over the entire population, the most expensive "preventable diseases" are the result of poor eating and exercise habits, yet every time some measure arises that is aimed at steering people toward healthier choices, some crowd cries foul. I guess their desire is to live a lifestyle that says "just eat it." Funny how many of that crowd that doesn't want to be told how to live their lives will point a finger at others and say their "preventable disease" is a punishment for their "lifestyle."

I would include that one also but would in all fairness say it is a personal choice except for the ones forced to eat poorly by limited income or by poor use of available income. Seems there is a foodstamp abuse thread floating around here somewhere.  I think heart disease is the number one killer still.

If I was in my 20's there is no way I would want to pay for anyone's medical, that I am sure of.
 

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Originally Posted by AquaEyes 

 

In terms of annual dollars spent over the entire population, the most expensive "preventable diseases" are the result of poor eating and exercise habits, yet every time some measure arises that is aimed at steering people toward healthier choices, some crowd cries foul. I guess their desire is to live a lifestyle that says "just eat it." Funny how many of that crowd that doesn't want to be told how to live their lives will point a finger at others and say their "preventable disease" is a punishment for their "lifestyle."

 

Maybe we could have McDonalds pay a tax for healthcare.

Wouild be interesting to see how much money is spent by Americans on junk food and then compare that to the cost per month of decent healthcare.

I would vote for a health plan if it were a simple 10 page or less plan that I knew all would either pay with cash or pay in community service toward each others care with solid abuse safeguards.  And you cannot sue anyone for anything you signed for to receive.  Of course the high risk folks would get a bargain then.  Maybe I was right it just won't work here.

I find it funny that yesterday I met a guy who his wife kicked out from perpetual unemployment and he was driving a van and able to get his "medical marijuana" and share it with a guy on experimental drug treatments with no place to live but with friends and tell me he was flat broke.  I just find that hard to believe.

Sometimes I wonder whether chickened and Royd even own chickens.