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If you paint it, they will simply eat the paint off it.  If you seal it, what ever you use may react with the feed or leach into the feed.  Natural wood is non toxic, and would be a much better choice.  I'd simply use some cheap screws, and screw it together.  When it rots, if it ever does, replace it.  If you let them peck it dry once/day, it will be just fine.  It will be fine even if they don't peck it dry, I'm betting.  I simply go to the dollar store, and buy 3 or 4 cheap dog bowls.  Plop the feed into them, and spread them around in the run, or set a couple in the coop, one on their feeding station, and an other one on a hay bale.  I simply have not bothered to make a trough yet, though may need to in the spring.

This time of year I have to use heated dog bowls to feed ff.  in summer I have the heavy plastic goat troughs  from TSC.  works great. The troughs keep the chickens from getting into the ff and scratching it out all over.

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 Western N.C ~ 19 chickens= EE's, Game, variety of bantams,1Light Brahma, 2 Black Australorps . 5 Muscovy ducks, 6 Indian Runners and 2 Buff Orpington Ducks, 1 Embden gander,1 Toulouse goose , 3 mini Dachshunds, 2 mixed breed, pond goldfish,  and a wonderful Husband who makes it all possible..

 

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post #7532 of 7973
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I am actually thinking scratch warming is a myth as well. My reasoning is this...

 

1. feed is mostly corn anyways.

2. carbs digest faster than protein, so they might be warm for a short while but what about the rest of the night?

3. Their body temp will stay the same because it's regulated regardless of what they eat.

4. hunters give their dogs extra fat in the winter, not carbs. Because it's sustaining. Ever get hungry 1 hour after eating Chinese food?

5. Really the purpose is just to supply the animal with extra calories to support their metabolism as they use more energy to stay warm when it's cold.

6. My birds ALWAYS fill their crops before they go in at night anyways.

7. Fat and protein both will burn longer than carbs and have a higher calorie count, thus MORE energy released in a timed fashion instead of one short energy burst.

 

I would also love to see some studies. But with the nutritional and little health science understanding that I have, in no way will I be perpetuating the myth (any longer). When reasoned out, it just doesn't make sense to me.

 

Almost sounds like BOSS or live meal worms would be a better alternative to achieve the desired effect. :hu

 

Great points and I've made them many a time!

 

Add to that list the fact that when a creature is digesting, a goodly portion of their blood supply is being diverted from the exterior of their body to the digestive tract....remember when Mom said not to go swimming after eating or you'll get muscle cramps...that's why and it's true.  So, if they need that blood to warm their extremities but it's at the core, doing digestive work, how again does that "keep a chicken warm"?   

 

Now, feed some scratch in the summer time....is that going to make them too hot?  If it warms them up in the winter, doesn't it stand to reason it would make them WAY too hot in the summer? 

Bee, you beat me to the punch.  I'm hot blooded.  But, after finishing lunch, I can almost always plan on being a bit chilled.  And have always been told it's b/c blood supply is being diverted to the gut.   IMO, simply feed your birds adequately year round.  Increased calories in the winter due to increased metabolic demand.  

Ephesians 2:10  For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

 

http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/1013154/byc-member-interview-lazy-gardener

http://www.backyardchickens.com/a/yes-you-certainly-can-brood-chicks-outdoors

https://tikktok.wordpress.com/2014/04/13/fermented-feed-faq/

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Ephesians 2:10  For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

 

http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/1013154/byc-member-interview-lazy-gardener

http://www.backyardchickens.com/a/yes-you-certainly-can-brood-chicks-outdoors

https://tikktok.wordpress.com/2014/04/13/fermented-feed-faq/

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I didn't read all 754 pages.gee, I only glanced though 40ish. I'm taking a short cut. Maybe someone will see past the humor and I'll get an answer.

I don't feed fermented feed. I'm sick of drunken chickens with the munchies. A fat hen's laying rate cuts back by almost 75%. That kinda hurts the wallet when you got 30 or 40 hens.
To top it off, if I don't give them their daily buzz they start getting really cranky.
Have you ever seen hungover chickens scrapping? I didn't believe it till I saw it a number of times but it's true that hungover females are meaner than hungover males.🐔🐓
Yessiree ....no more fermented berries, fruit, veggies, grains or grasses or even leaves(cabbage, lettuce etc) for me. I'm getting too old to refferee scraps.😏 I just want peace in the coop.🕊
I suppose I could just do it every Saturday and sell ringside(fence side) tickets for the SundayFights.roll.png😂 lau.gif
Am I using too much water? Leaving it too long? Too hot? Too cold? Should I leave the lid off the drum/barrel? Should I scoop off the froth? ????????
There is only 1 biological entity on the face of Earth that if removed will cause absolutely no harm but quite the opposite by Earth reverting to a beautifully, perfectly balanced environment. Hint: It aint chickens.

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There is only 1 biological entity on the face of Earth that if removed will cause absolutely no harm but quite the opposite by Earth reverting to a beautifully, perfectly balanced environment. Hint: It aint chickens.

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Originally Posted by RezChamp View Post

I didn't read all 754 pages.gee, I only glanced though 40ish. I'm taking a short cut. Maybe someone will see past the humor and I'll get an answer.

I don't feed fermented feed. I'm sick of drunken chickens with the munchies. A fat hen's laying rate cuts back by almost 75%. That kinda hurts the wallet when you got 30 or 40 hens.
To top it off, if I don't give them their daily buzz they start getting really cranky.
Have you ever seen hungover chickens scrapping? I didn't believe it till I saw it a number of times but it's true that hungover females are meaner than hungover males.🐔🐓
Yessiree ....no more fermented berries, fruit, veggies, grains or grasses or even leaves(cabbage, lettuce etc) for me. I'm getting too old to refferee scraps.😏 I just want peace in the coop.🕊
I suppose I could just do it every Saturday and sell ringside(fence side) tickets for the SundayFights.roll.png😂 lau.gif
Am I using too much water? Leaving it too long? Too hot? Too cold? Should I leave the lid off the drum/barrel? Should I scoop off the froth? ????????

 

Don't know if you are being serious or facetious, but no one is really having the results you report that I know of, so maybe you are feeding too much?  If you have overly fat hens, cut back on the feed.  There is no alcohol effect in the FF, so if you are having fighting chickens, it's a good bet they don't have enough room in their living space and it's stressing them.  My chickens never fight other than the occasional peck here and there of the order and show no overly aggressive behavior to one another...could be your breed? 

 

If you don't feed fermented feed, but you are tired of the effects of feeding fermented feed that you don't feed, it would seem you are merely here to pick a fight......so why are you here?  :hu

 
Matthew 10:32-33 - Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.  But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. 

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Matthew 10:32-33 - Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.  But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. 

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post #7535 of 7973
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Originally Posted by lazy gardener View Post

Bee, you beat me to the punch.  I'm hot blooded.  But, after finishing lunch, I can almost always plan on being a bit chilled.  And have always been told it's b/c blood supply is being diverted to the gut.   IMO, simply feed your birds adequately year round.  Increased calories in the winter due to increased metabolic demand.  


Also quoting what you quoted from EggSighted4Life

In the winter my Nana usta hang frozen rabbits about 2 feet or so from the floor of the coop. The chickens had to jump to peck at it.
Smart old lady. I miss her quiet wisdom and mannerisms. Too bad there ain't more people like that in the world.

In retrospect I don't recall ever having witnessed a "froze to death" chicken from her :epuninsulated:ep coop.
Where we live routinely gets -30*C with blasts of -50*C.
There is only 1 biological entity on the face of Earth that if removed will cause absolutely no harm but quite the opposite by Earth reverting to a beautifully, perfectly balanced environment. Hint: It aint chickens.

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There is only 1 biological entity on the face of Earth that if removed will cause absolutely no harm but quite the opposite by Earth reverting to a beautifully, perfectly balanced environment. Hint: It aint chickens.

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Originally Posted by RezChamp View Post

I didn't read all 754 pages.gee, I only glanced though 40ish. I'm taking a short cut. Maybe someone will see past the humor and I'll get an answer.

I don't feed fermented feed. I'm sick of drunken chickens with the munchies. A fat hen's laying rate cuts back by almost 75%. That kinda hurts the wallet when you got 30 or 40 hens.
To top it off, if I don't give them their daily buzz they start getting really cranky.
Have you ever seen hungover chickens scrapping? I didn't believe it till I saw it a number of times but it's true that hungover females are meaner than hungover males.🐔🐓
Yessiree ....no more fermented berries, fruit, veggies, grains or grasses or even leaves(cabbage, lettuce etc) for me. I'm getting too old to refferee scraps.😏 I just want peace in the coop.🕊
I suppose I could just do it every Saturday and sell ringside(fence side) tickets for the SundayFights.roll.png😂 lau.gif
Am I using too much water? Leaving it too long? Too hot? Too cold? Should I leave the lid off the drum/barrel? Should I scoop off the froth? ????????

most of us use this method and NO DRUNK CHICKENS LOL 3 days is not enough to make alcohol ( or I would be rich selling it to winos):gig

leave the lid off

https://tikktok.wordpress.com/2014/04/13/fermented-feed-faq/

Hens: 4 Black Jersey giants,  2 BR, 2 ISA ,  ...1 mix roo  ... labor day chicks 3 BJG mix (1 pullet), 1 BO mix pullet .. . Halloween chicks: 2  barred rock mix (1 pullet) and 4 cornish cross mix (1 pullet).... Turkeys: 1 BBB hen ,  4 Narragansett jakes  Yummy.....

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Hens: 4 Black Jersey giants,  2 BR, 2 ISA ,  ...1 mix roo  ... labor day chicks 3 BJG mix (1 pullet), 1 BO mix pullet .. . Halloween chicks: 2  barred rock mix (1 pullet) and 4 cornish cross mix (1 pullet).... Turkeys: 1 BBB hen ,  4 Narragansett jakes  Yummy.....

1 dog 2 cats

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Bee, you beat me to the punch.  I'm hot blooded.  But, after finishing lunch, I can almost always plan on being a bit chilled.  And have always been told it's b/c blood supply is being diverted to the gut.   IMO, simply feed your birds adequately year round.  Increased calories in the winter due to increased metabolic demand.  

 

I'm likely the only person on BYC that decreases protein levels of the feed during winter months.  :P   I cut the layer mash with oats or barley and then cut it a little more with some BOSS, so as others are increasing proteins fed, I'm sort of cutting them down.  My birds are less active in the winter, so all the calories they would normally consume for running around doing their thing can be diverted towards body heat and they normally slow down on laying in the winter too, so they don't even need more protein for that job.  I cut the total protein and increase the fats and the ones that lay still lay and they all seem to fare very well all winter long.  Even recover from molt very well on that diet. 

 

 

I figure the wild birds aren't getting a lot of high protein feed out there right now either, so if they can do it on seeds and nuts for fat and without a cozy shelter and someone bringing the food directly to them, my birds can too. 

 
Matthew 10:32-33 - Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.  But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJdx9BtTob4

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Matthew 10:32-33 - Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.  But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJdx9BtTob4

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post #7538 of 7973
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Be warned, sealed fermentation = Boom!

Since this post is about vitamins, I'm thinking that perhaps I should add some scratch feed to the mix, or give them some separately in the evening wouldn't be a bad idea, that way they can get the extra carbs to keep warm at night? And would adding scratch to the mix make it less likely for the gasses to push the top layer of fermenting 'crumbles' out of the bucket? I'm getting rather tired of waking up and finding half their feed attempting to escape leaving a mess on the counter top!

I think she was referring to the now popular one way airlocks used in lactose fermenting mainly, but also in alcohol. Those allow gas out, but not back in.
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I started feeding chicks fermented feed at that age. Here is a pic of the feeder I designed for the six chix:



I made this because otherwise the FF was everywhere and all over them. Obviously you would bend any prickly edges down into the container or cut them off...

Re: Chicks...use the chick starter, not the layer feed. I am also learning that layer feed has too little protein for most all chickens regardless.

BTW, everyone I am warming their fermented feed in the morning, in the microwave for about a minute since it is so cold here! Thoughts? It just gets slightly warm...would that kill the good stuff?

Actually, layer feed follows the guidelines for chicken feed. It's not the total protein that matters at all, but rather specifically the amino acids in the protein that are important. Feeding more protein than what they can use actually just means they will poo out more protein. I did tons of reading into feed development before I started mixing my own feed.
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This time of year I have to use heated dog bowls to feed ff.  in summer I have the heavy plastic goat troughs  from TSC.  works great. The troughs keep the chickens from getting into the ff and scratching it out all over.

I wish they made a heated trough...rather than the round bowls.

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Do Not Wait to Honor and Learn from Those Who Have Experience.  Then, in Turn, Pass it To Others Because....

"When an Elder Dies, a Library Burns to the Ground"  (Old African Saying)

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It would be great if you could get a video of the chickens getting 'dumped'.  That is hilarious!

I could make a video of how it works, alas, the chickens have already learned the futility of trying to roost on the roof though. Sorry.

 

@LazyGardener: Thanks for the info. I would like to find some wider crocks anyway; I'm thinking the ones I have may just be too narrow and the feed/mash just doesn't have the room to get out of the way of the rising gas so it gets pushed up and out. :hu

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D.gif  ~ ACORN ACRES in South Cackalacky jumpy.gif

 

Seven Easter Eggers, a Black Australorp, 1 Cuckoo Marans, An old Production Red,

and some really prolific oak trees!

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