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My chicks that I had been incubating have just begun to hatch. I have marked each egg immediately after I have gotten it away from the SEPARATED breeds.So I know that my Production Red eggs ARE Production Reds. 

 

One of my Production Red chicks is black and white! (With a black beak with white on the tip, and black feet (I think))

It hasn't hatched completely yet but I can partially see it. 

 

How did it turn out black? What will it look like when it's older?

4 Production Red Hens, a Production Red Rooster and 5 Black Sex Links.

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4 Production Red Hens, a Production Red Rooster and 5 Black Sex Links.

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post #2 of 6

That is odd!

Black from Reds!

 

Maybe someone with more genetic knowledge will come along.

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Not claiming to be an expert, BUT I do know that alot of 'commercial' aka 'production' egg breeds are hybridized for better egg production purposes. Its seems to be a long standing idea that the commercial industry must only use purebred hens like White Leghorn, Black Australorp, or other birds to mass produce eggs...but this is false. Hybrids in the F1 generation actually do lay higher percentages of eggs; this is an example of a breed that is regularly used commercially: Austrawhite (white leghorn x black australorp)- The chicks are born yellow with black spots, as adults you will see a white bird with 'dalmation' spots. Both breeds are exceptionall layers, but with this hybrid a single hen will yeild 300+ eggs a year, and lay 4-5 eggs a week. I had both white leghorn hens and these hybrids and both were excellent birds--but the hybrids were hearty, and produced more eggs on less feed than the purebreds--from what I could observe.

 

Production Red is also a hybrid to my knowledge..I think its New Hampshire Red x Black Austrlorp. And is a commercial 'brown egger'.  When F1 hybrids, (first generation hybrids) are  bred together you can expect to see a "mix" of different colored chicks. You will get black ones, red, and 'production reds'..according to my punnet square (since I am not 100% sure of your birds exact genetics and the dominant/recessive traits this is just a guess..) you should get 25% black, 50%reds, 25% production red-type birds from a production red x production red breeding... assuming my hybrid theory is correct, and they are not just over bred like the Cornish birds..

 

 


Edited by ElizabethAz - 4/10/12 at 8:24am
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Not claiming to be an expert, BUT I do know that alot of 'commercial' aka 'production' egg breeds are hybridized for better egg production purposes. Its seems to be a long standing idea that the commercial industry must only use purebred hens like White Leghorn, Black Australorp, or other birds to mass produce eggs...but this is false. Hybrids in the F1 generation actually do lay higher percentages of eggs; this is an example of a breed that is regularly used commercially: Austrawhite (white leghorn x black australorp)- The chicks are born yellow with black spots, as adults you will see a white bird with 'dalmation' spots. Both breeds are exceptionall layers, but with this hybrid a single hen will yeild 300+ eggs a year, and lay 4-5 eggs a week. I had both white leghorn hens and these hybrids and both were excellent birds--but the hybrids were hearty, and produced more eggs on less feed than the purebreds--from what I could observe.

 

Production Red is also a hybrid to my knowledge..I think its New Hampshire Red x Black Austrlorp. And is a commercial 'brown egger'.  When F1 hybrids, (first generation hybrids) are  bred together you can expect to see a "mix" of different colored chicks. You will get black ones, red, and 'production reds'..according to my punnet square (since I am not 100% sure of your birds exact genetics and the dominant/recessive traits this is just a guess..) you should get 25% black, 50%reds, 25% production red-type birds from a production red x production red breeding... assuming my hybrid theory is correct, and they are not just over bred like the Cornish birds..

 

 


I don't think that they are New Hampshire x Black Australorp.  That would cause black chicks with red leakage not a totally red chicken. 

According to Cackle a Production Red is a cross of Rhode Island Red rooster over New Hampshire hens.  I think though that they just use aloot of red chickens.  And it cojuld possibly be somethnig in the backgroud of the red chickens that caused the black coloring to pop out.   
 

 

post #5 of 6

could be a sport...

That this universe, in all it's infinite wonder, simply is, that it exists at all, is good enough for me. In my eyes, to say that something had to "create" it, to make it what it is, only succeeds to cheapen the experience, to make it less special. 

 

 

 

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That this universe, in all it's infinite wonder, simply is, that it exists at all, is good enough for me. In my eyes, to say that something had to "create" it, to make it what it is, only succeeds to cheapen the experience, to make it less special. 

 

 

 

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She's the black one. The white one is a Production Red Roo x Black Sex Link mix. P1130068.JPG

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Edited by Gvnam - 4/14/12 at 2:04pm

4 Production Red Hens, a Production Red Rooster and 5 Black Sex Links.

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4 Production Red Hens, a Production Red Rooster and 5 Black Sex Links.

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