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             I was trying to incubate my eggs to sell the chicks this year.  My first set of eggs died after piping, I only hatched one girl.  I opened each egg to find out what happened so I could correct this problem.  After this first chick survived we had several chicken owners at our farm picking out hens from one coop.  After they collected a couple of hens, they came into my hatching room where my one lonely chick was kept so I could write up the paper work and show them the NPIP certification.  The whole time this is going on my two week old chick was riding on my shoulder.  I spent most of my day with her with me since she hatched.  If she wasn't with me she would drive everyone nuts crying for me.

     I was out of chickens to sell, but my second batch hatched a week later. jumpy.gif  My baby chick was now four weeks old and thought she was mom to the new chicks.  She taught each of them how to eat, scratch, drink and kept them warm at night.  Every morning when I opened the lid she would jump on my lap.  That's when she sneezed on mesickbyc.gif, about two weeks after buyers had been in the coops and some had held her.  I didn't think anything of it that day.  The next day, when I got home I opened the lid to see my baby girl.  The other chicks now a week old in the brooder were sneezing too.  No other problems, just a simple sneeze.idunno.gif

     I called the vet who got me in right away!  They did a stool sample which came back negative and a blood test.  He told me the white blood cells are slightly elevated and I had Mycoplasma.  He gave me Tylan to treat everyone with.  I looked up the disease and freaked.  

     After killing all my eggs in the bator and all my chickshit.gif I got on here and read a story of a woman who had the same problem.  I don't remember who it was or where I found her story but I cried as she asked someone to come out and cull her birds.  I cried for her, I cried because of all the people telling her not to cull them,he.gif to just treat them. We still have 8 birds to cull, and one more coop to bleach. I don’t want to pass this along to other chicken owners when I go out to buy feed or go groceries shopping.  The disease can be spread on my clothing or hair, so I have been taking care of the remaining 8 to cull at night only, before going to bed.

     I didn't know I had it, none of my other chickens showed signs of it (and still don't), just those chicks.  They didn't even show signs when I stressed them out by chasing, chatching and culling half the flock.  I didn't know that the people who were coming into the coop could be carriers.  I didn’t know that my adults could be the carriers and not show any symptoms.  My adults have not been tested for it yet, but will be culled. 

     I am going to start over.  I have eggs on order.  When those eggs hatch I have to wait two weeks then swab them and send the swabs to MSU.  If they pass the Mycoplasma and NPIP testing then I would like to vaccinate them just like I vaccinate my dogs.  I have contacted the company who makes the vaccine, but the only way they sell it is in quantities of 10.  Each one would treat 2,000 birds and must be used as soon as I mix it.  Each of the vials is around $60 which to me is worth it since each of those adult birds were $20, then $91 for NPIP testing, and I paid around $140 to be told the sneezing was a disease.   After paying for that vet bill I discovered I could have swabbed my flock and sent the swabs to our vet school (MSU) and saved quite a bit of money.

     After losing all my chickens to a disease, I discover it is easily spread by people, other chickens, wild birds and passed through the eggs.  Most chicken owners don’t even know they have this disease, because the chicken only shows signs when it’s stressed.  My only symptom was a couple of sneezes from week old chicks!    

     The hardest part about this disease and most chicken diseases is that a lot of people treat the chickens with antibiotics.  When they no longer show any symptoms the flock owner keeps showing, selling and trading from the diseased flock, infecting others.hit.gif   

 

Sometimes being a responsible pet owner is the hardest thing to do. 


Edited by Wickischickies - 4/12/12 at 8:21am
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Well said!  I wish every chicken owner would read your post and learn about mycoplasma diseases. Instead they want to know how to treat infected chickens, after all, they are thinking on the human level and not the bird level regarding diseases...that diseases can be treated and cured in humans, but not chickens. The disease is with the chickens forever, is contageous and stress will bring out the worst symptoms as you stated. You did the right thing by culling.

Here's a link to Incubation Periods for Diseases. With MG, after disinfecting everything, you can have new birds within a weeks time frame.

http://www.amerpoultryassn.com/respiratory_disease.htm

Practicing and implementing a strict biosecurity program along with a closed flock can help ensure a disease free flock. I wish you the best.


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The MG vaccine will not prevent birds from getting the disease.  It will only lessen the symptoms.  From what I understand it does not need mixing and is already premixed in a solution of penicillan as a preservative.

 

 

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post #4 of 27

I agree, there are different strains. That's why it's best to cull.


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Originally Posted by pips&peeps View Post

The MG vaccine will not prevent birds from getting the disease.  It will only lessen the symptoms.  From what I understand it does not need mixing and is already premixed in a solution of penicillan as a preservative.

 

 



Thank you Pips&peeps!  I heard that the newest one worked well in preventing the disease from being transmitted or passed to the egg should I get it again.  Do you know if this is correct?  I was really sad about finding out I had this.  After talking with you a couple of weeks ago I figured out which hens to keep and who to cull (not being the correct color/size).  Now they are all gone and I'm starting fresh next month with hatching eggs.  I have everything bleached and waiting for my new eggs which don't get shipped until mid-May.  I am excited to start over, and praying that these are healthy birds of the correct size and color.  I will post pictures when they hatch.

 

I really have the author of this article Chickens Do Not Catch Colds to thank for making me aware and testing my birds!   


Edited by Wickischickies - 4/13/12 at 8:21am
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What is the new vaccine called and which company makes it?

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When doing research about the different vaccines it appeared that live vaccines had the best results.  I found this one on Marck's web site. MYCOVAC-L® is the patented, live 6/85 strain of Mycoplasma gallisepticum (MG).   Sorry I didn't mean it was new, I meant to say it is the newest form.  The vaccine use to be a killed vaccine from what I understood reading the trails of the different forms.

 

Will I be wasting my money on the vaccine?


Edited by Wickischickies - 4/13/12 at 8:20am
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Can a chicken sneeze & NOT have MG?

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My little piece of heaven is in the northeast..me & my DH, 1 DD, 1 DS, & owned by 18 chickens ~ 3 Wellies,  2 BO's, 2 GLW's, 2 EE's, 3 Barnies, 2 FBCM, 1 SS, 2 SF & 1 Aussie!  "Member of the Derperella Club-- We're just all goin' round' the rooster, here!"

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Do what you love & love what you do. Simplicity is the essence of happiness.
I have O.C.D...Obsessive Chicken Disorder!!!
My little piece of heaven is in the northeast..me & my DH, 1 DD, 1 DS, & owned by 18 chickens ~ 3 Wellies,  2 BO's, 2 GLW's, 2 EE's, 3 Barnies, 2 FBCM, 1 SS, 2 SF & 1 Aussie!  "Member of the Derperella Club-- We're just all goin' round' the rooster, here!"

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Yes, there are many things that can make them sneeze.  Some are viral, some a bacterial, and sometimes dust can make them sneeze.

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Can a chicken sneeze & NOT have MG?



The bedding you use can also cause them to sneeze.  That's why I had the chicks tested, I wanted to find out if I should be concerned.  If you go that route check out everyone's prices.  I paid about $140 to a vet, then found out I could have sent in a swab for around $20 at the vet college.  I also found out after culling everyone that the blood test (the test the vet ran with results in minutes) is not as accurate as the swab.  I am still talking with the universities to learn as much as I can before starting over.  I will keep posting as I learn more. 

When bleaching the brooder one more time today, I did find a mold problem near the light fixture in the wood.  So now I need to find out if that could have been the cause of the slightly increase in white blood cells in those chicks.  UGH, I wish I would have had heard about the swab testing before calling the vet.  Too late now.... 

 

 


Edited by Wickischickies - 4/15/12 at 6:39am
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