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post #1 of 9
4/22/12 at 9:19am
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Last fall I was given a pair of white frizzle Cochin bantams. Other than thinking they were cool, I had no experience with them. When I researched the gene I found that everyone says to breed a smooth with a frizzle. When I told the lady who gave them to me, she said she got them from a breeder as a breeding pair, but had never done anything with them. She was insistent that there would be no problem breeding them. I have been hesitant and never have had the gutts to hatch any of her eggs since I like to avoid culling as much as possible.

My question is this:
Is there any way that this could be a breeding pair when they are both frizzled? Like if they both came from smooth parents that carried the frizzle gene. Or did this "breeder" lie to her?

I need to know what to do since I have found a smooth white bantam Cochin pair in an upcoming local auction. Should I just buy that pair and split the two pairs so they are both a smooth and a frizzle, or should I even just sell the smooth rooster and keep both hens with the frizzle roo(if the answer to my previous question is that they could be a breeding pair)?

Hope to hear from someone with experience soon, thanks!
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post #2 of 9
4/27/12 at 11:21am

Hi, I'm new to frizzle breeding too, but everything I have read states not to breed frizzle to frizzle. I read an article written by a man that had been breeding for 20 yrs and he said he got the best results by breeding a frizzle roo to straight females. Hope that helps some.

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post #3 of 9
4/27/12 at 3:10pm
I breed a frizzle rooster to smooth hens. If you breed two frizzles together, you get frazzles. And they ain't pretty. Here's a frazzle I adopted because I felt sorry for him.....but you can definitely tell, even from this poor picture, that he was cosmetically challenged.
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post #4 of 9
4/27/12 at 5:21pm
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Originally Posted by Purely Prairie Polish View Post

Last fall I was given a pair of white frizzle Cochin bantams. Other than thinking they were cool, I had no experience with them. When I researched the gene I found that everyone says to breed a smooth with a frizzle. When I told the lady who gave them to me, she said she got them from a breeder as a breeding pair, but had never done anything with them. She was insistent that there would be no problem breeding them. I have been hesitant and never have had the gutts to hatch any of her eggs since I like to avoid culling as much as possible.

My question is this:
Is there any way that this could be a breeding pair when they are both frizzled? Like if they both came from smooth parents that carried the frizzle gene. Or did this "breeder" lie to her?

I need to know what to do since I have found a smooth white bantam Cochin pair in an upcoming local auction. Should I just buy that pair and split the two pairs so they are both a smooth and a frizzle, or should I even just sell the smooth rooster and keep both hens with the frizzle roo(if the answer to my previous question is that they could be a breeding pair)?

Hope to hear from someone with experience soon, thanks!
Hi! If the smooth Cochin pair is still available, that is the way *I* would go --- breed Frizzle to smooth. It's a bit pillish, but what I consider necessary if you are going to breed 'frizzle anything'. Of 'frizzle anythings', I keep at least 2 pens going --- frizz male w/ smooth girls and smooth male w/ frizz girls.
Good luck!
Lisa

Black/Splash/Blue Ameraucana, Black/Splash/Blue Frizz-'Aucana, Cuckoo-'Aucana, Black/Splash/Blue/Barred Rock, Mottled/Black/Blue/Barred/Frizzle Cochin, White Silkie, Naked Necks bantam&LF frizzled/blue/barred/green-egger, etc. DUCKS (Muscovy, Swedish, Ancona)
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post #5 of 9
4/27/12 at 5:46pm
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Thanks for the input. I figured that I should split the pair, and it just so happens that a local person was selling a trio of smooth white Cochin bantams. So I'm putting my frizzle Roo with the two smooth hens and can pair the frizzle hen with the smooth Roo. Win win.

But now I have another question. One of the smooth hens has a couple sporadic black feathers, so I got her cheaper. But when I went to put them with my frizzles I noticed that my Roo has one too. Is that bad breeding, or what does that mean? I don't know anything about any of their parentage, just that they came from breeders as white Cochin bantams. Is there such thing as a splash Cochin? cause the color reminds me of my splash polish. I'm
Really curious what babies will come from the match.
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post #6 of 9
4/27/12 at 6:06pm
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Originally Posted by Purely Prairie Polish View Post

Thanks for the input. I figured that I should split the pair, and it just so happens that a local person was selling a trio of smooth white Cochin bantams. So I'm putting my frizzle Roo with the two smooth hens and can pair the frizzle hen with the smooth Roo. Win win.

But now I have another question. One of the smooth hens has a couple sporadic black feathers, so I got her cheaper. But when I went to put them with my frizzles I noticed that my Roo has one too. Is that bad breeding, or what does that mean? I don't know anything about any of their parentage, just that they came from breeders as white Cochin bantams. Is there such thing as a splash Cochin? cause the color reminds me of my splash polish. I'm
Really curious what babies will come from the match.
Yes, there are splash Cochins.
That's even better (to my eye) if they are 'splash' (2 copies of blue gene), you'll get blues and maybe 'other colors' depending on what the 'white' might be hiding. You are right --- a WIN WIN!
I've sold eggs to folks that have hatched splashes that have few markings, and they call them whites. *I* can see that they aren't white, but you can only repeat a point so much. Then I read later they are so surprised when they bred their 'white' to black and got blues. They tell folks "I bred white x black and got blue" --- and the cycle goes on.
Good luck!
Lisa

Black/Splash/Blue Ameraucana, Black/Splash/Blue Frizz-'Aucana, Cuckoo-'Aucana, Black/Splash/Blue/Barred Rock, Mottled/Black/Blue/Barred/Frizzle Cochin, White Silkie, Naked Necks bantam&LF frizzled/blue/barred/green-egger, etc. DUCKS (Muscovy, Swedish, Ancona)
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Black/Splash/Blue Ameraucana, Black/Splash/Blue Frizz-'Aucana, Cuckoo-'Aucana, Black/Splash/Blue/Barred Rock, Mottled/Black/Blue/Barred/Frizzle Cochin, White Silkie, Naked Necks bantam&LF frizzled/blue/barred/green-egger, etc. DUCKS (Muscovy, Swedish, Ancona)
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post #7 of 9
4/27/12 at 10:07pm
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Thanks DDD, what you've said has got me excited. I have to get my incubator out and start using it. I've just been ignoring it because I know once I start it i will not want to stop.

When I googled a splash Cochin I always found pictures of birds that are about 50/50 black and white, but as I said before, my splash Polish only have enough blue "splashes" to let you know they aren't white. I understand why people breed for the 50/50 look, those birds are GORGIOUS, but that doesn't men that my guys aren't carrying the similar genes. I got to see if I can find a black hen now to experiment with. Actually, I do have a WCB polish Rooster and a Self blue polish hen that are both bantams. To check if they have any other color in them could I breed a suspected splash cochin with a one of the polish birds and still get the same blue/splash/black results that would show with a cochin of those color?
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post #8 of 9
4/30/12 at 8:00am

I'm in N.W. Indiana and I'm looking for Frizzle Bantam Cochins....Does anyone know of someone who has any?


 

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post #9 of 9
6/28/12 at 9:48am

You don't want to breed frizzle to frizzle for the fact they will produce "curlies" which is a double frizzle gened bird. They're feathers are very brittle and brake, and sometimes they will have bald spots where feathers never grow.

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