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I just bought a pair of black cochins and a blue cochin cockerel, stupidly, without seeing them first. They are about 10-15 weeks old but all of them have a couple of white feathers in their wings and the black one have white feathers around their combs. Does this mean they are not pure bred or just don't have very good gentics? And what will the chicks be like, better or worse standard than the parents, any ideas ?

The Birds; Pair Salmon Faverolles, Cochin xs, black rock hen, pair of saxonys, quartet of white campbells, pair blue bibbed call ducks, 1 khaki campbell, 1 rouen(mix), 1 bali runner, 4 cross ducks, 2 cross drakes, pair of welsh harlequin, trio bronze turkeys, trio embden geese, pair gold dutch bantams, 7 cochinx chicks.

 

In the Bator; 1 lavender araucana, 3 cream legbar, 4 lavender pekin, 6...

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The Birds; Pair Salmon Faverolles, Cochin xs, black rock hen, pair of saxonys, quartet of white campbells, pair blue bibbed call ducks, 1 khaki campbell, 1 rouen(mix), 1 bali runner, 4 cross ducks, 2 cross drakes, pair of welsh harlequin, trio bronze turkeys, trio embden geese, pair gold dutch bantams, 7 cochinx chicks.

 

In the Bator; 1 lavender araucana, 3 cream legbar, 4 lavender pekin, 6...

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post #2 of 8

Without a picture I can not help. I have seen white feathers on my Blacks that molted out when they hit their final molt.

Bantam Cochins in Black, Birchen, Columbian and Buff Columbian. Now also have Sliver Penciled and Partridge. Working on a Silver Laced Project. Gold Laced project, and now a few White and White Frizzle.

 

Here's the link: for Cochin International:  www.cochinsint.com

 

another link:

http://www.backyardchickens.com/a/my-feather-anatomy-guide

 

lots of information to read:

http://www.backyard...


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Bantam Cochins in Black, Birchen, Columbian and Buff Columbian. Now also have Sliver Penciled and Partridge. Working on a Silver Laced Project. Gold Laced project, and now a few White and White Frizzle.

 

Here's the link: for Cochin International:  www.cochinsint.com

 

another link:

http://www.backyardchickens.com/a/my-feather-anatomy-guide

 

lots of information to read:

http://www.backyard...


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post #3 of 8
Thread Starter 

Heres some photos, the person i bought the cochins off told me that there are no true bantam cochins and if someone tries to sell me any, they're bluffing, I see you breed bantam cochins, could you clear that up for me? :)

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Blue cochin wingBlack Cochin wing


Edited by Fraoch21 - 6/25/12 at 11:11am

The Birds; Pair Salmon Faverolles, Cochin xs, black rock hen, pair of saxonys, quartet of white campbells, pair blue bibbed call ducks, 1 khaki campbell, 1 rouen(mix), 1 bali runner, 4 cross ducks, 2 cross drakes, pair of welsh harlequin, trio bronze turkeys, trio embden geese, pair gold dutch bantams, 7 cochinx chicks.

 

In the Bator; 1 lavender araucana, 3 cream legbar, 4 lavender pekin, 6...

Reply

The Birds; Pair Salmon Faverolles, Cochin xs, black rock hen, pair of saxonys, quartet of white campbells, pair blue bibbed call ducks, 1 khaki campbell, 1 rouen(mix), 1 bali runner, 4 cross ducks, 2 cross drakes, pair of welsh harlequin, trio bronze turkeys, trio embden geese, pair gold dutch bantams, 7 cochinx chicks.

 

In the Bator; 1 lavender araucana, 3 cream legbar, 4 lavender pekin, 6...

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post #4 of 8

They are only little, don't judge just yet.

I've got nine lovely bantam pekins, one Brahma, one welsummer and six hybrid hens! Along with light sussex bantams, black copper marans, Cream legbars, Arucanas, Welsummers, bantam and LF orpingtons, Bantam Wyndottes, Booted bantams, Silver Dorkings, Ixworth and Barnvelders in a field next to me!

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I've got nine lovely bantam pekins, one Brahma, one welsummer and six hybrid hens! Along with light sussex bantams, black copper marans, Cream legbars, Arucanas, Welsummers, bantam and LF orpingtons, Bantam Wyndottes, Booted bantams, Silver Dorkings, Ixworth and Barnvelders in a field next to me!

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post #5 of 8

A "true bantam" is a bantam that has no standard sized version.  Something like a Sebright, that only comes in one size.  So..they are partially correct, but really bending the statements.  I would wait and see what happens.  I wouldn't necessarily say they are mixed breed, but possibly mixed or mismarked coloring.

post #6 of 8

The person is repeating what is quoted in the UK.If you research the history of the Pekin Bantam , you will read many stories about their origin.Some say that they were stolen in the 1800’s from a private collection of the Emperor of China, in Peking. Others say that they were imported as a gift to Queen Victoria the early victorian era. The birds from those bygone days were then bred, by keepers in the UK, crossed with other breeds of Bantams to create what we now know as the Pekin Bantam. Some people say that Pekins are known around the world as Miniature Cochins or Cochin Bantams, but it is generally agreed in the UK, by fanciers and keepers, that they are in fact a true Bantam and are not related to or connected to Cochins.

 

Now for the USA history. The Bantam Cochin and the Large Fowl Cochins have been recognized as breeds by the APA since the 1870's. The ABA has recognized Bantam Cochins as a breed since the ABA was organized. Each has their own standard that they are measured against. That is a history of breeding to a standard for almost 150 years. So in a historical sense the person who told you this may have some merit. I will bite my tongue and not go any further on the information given you. Any more specific questions please PM me.

Craig

Bantam Cochins in Black, Birchen, Columbian and Buff Columbian. Now also have Sliver Penciled and Partridge. Working on a Silver Laced Project. Gold Laced project, and now a few White and White Frizzle.

 

Here's the link: for Cochin International:  www.cochinsint.com

 

another link:

http://www.backyardchickens.com/a/my-feather-anatomy-guide

 

lots of information to read:

http://www.backyard...


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Bantam Cochins in Black, Birchen, Columbian and Buff Columbian. Now also have Sliver Penciled and Partridge. Working on a Silver Laced Project. Gold Laced project, and now a few White and White Frizzle.

 

Here's the link: for Cochin International:  www.cochinsint.com

 

another link:

http://www.backyardchickens.com/a/my-feather-anatomy-guide

 

lots of information to read:

http://www.backyard...


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post #7 of 8

Not at all uncommon for black birs to have some white feathers in their juvenile plumage. Wait 'till they grow out before making any decisions. Glad to be answering someone from my ancestral homeland: I'm a MacGregor on my mother's side.

APA General Licensed Judge with 50 years experience raising and showing all manner of fowl.

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APA General Licensed Judge with 50 years experience raising and showing all manner of fowl.

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post #8 of 8
Thread Starter 

Thank you everyone! I will wait for my birds to grow up and for their first moult and see what happens smile.png So i guess whether you class a bird as a bantam cochin or a pekin depends on whether your in the Uk or USA, I got a bit confused with the conflicting opinions! tongue.png NYREDS, I'm a MacKenzie on my fathers side!

The Birds; Pair Salmon Faverolles, Cochin xs, black rock hen, pair of saxonys, quartet of white campbells, pair blue bibbed call ducks, 1 khaki campbell, 1 rouen(mix), 1 bali runner, 4 cross ducks, 2 cross drakes, pair of welsh harlequin, trio bronze turkeys, trio embden geese, pair gold dutch bantams, 7 cochinx chicks.

 

In the Bator; 1 lavender araucana, 3 cream legbar, 4 lavender pekin, 6...

Reply

The Birds; Pair Salmon Faverolles, Cochin xs, black rock hen, pair of saxonys, quartet of white campbells, pair blue bibbed call ducks, 1 khaki campbell, 1 rouen(mix), 1 bali runner, 4 cross ducks, 2 cross drakes, pair of welsh harlequin, trio bronze turkeys, trio embden geese, pair gold dutch bantams, 7 cochinx chicks.

 

In the Bator; 1 lavender araucana, 3 cream legbar, 4 lavender pekin, 6...

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