Originally Posted by nfrost
So is it normal for the black shoulders neck feathers aren't all that blue there more green right now is this normal?
Yes, yearling males often have a "greenish" hue to the neck rather than a blue one.
Here's my barred wing male at 1 year, you can see that his neck is more green- and this can go for any of the IB mutations (BS, pied, etc):
Originally Posted by frenchblackcopper
If this is the case,why do I see a lite brown-tan-rust pigment in the wing feathers of the bird in post #7?? They surely are not solid black,nor white,.nor blue,,or am I getting color blind? I was referring to your post #4 saying They simply get blackish/blue feathers that come in to replace the white/black feathers they once had If this is the case,that these feathers "come in" blackish/blue,,,where is all that tan-rust colored pigment coming from on the side of the wing on the bird in post #7? That tan-rust color will slowly be replaced with the pigment of black,,as the bird grows,,,your saying these feathers are already blackish/blue so where did the tan-rust color come from? These two colors are not mentioned anywhere,,but I can see them,,
FBC, the flights on most birds (those not split to white or some white relative like pied) will be burnished orange almost regardless of color, this includes the solid wing mutation. "Blackshoulder" is a actually a misnomer. "Blackshoulder" was the first india blue mutation (out of all of the color and pattern mutations), and because it was in an india blue bird, the wing appeared black, thus the term 'blackshoulder' was coined. That being said, obviously not all colors have black shoulders if they are considered 'blackshoulder' birds. A more appropirate (though not likely to become more common) term for this mutation is "solid wing" as what the mutation does is remove the barring from showing in the bird. Obviously an opal BS doesn't actually have "black" wings; it has solid opal/silver wings, and purples have solid brown wings, and cameos have solid brown wings and so on. This is why it's occasionally mentioned that "blackshoulder" should be phased out as a phrase, because it's so confusing!
At some point, you are right, FBC- the feathers of a solid wing bird will show a sort of "lacing" to them where there is white/tab/brown in the center of the feathers and that's usually at 1 year of age. By two they should be growing in those nice blue-black feathers (or whatever solid color) like Nathowe says.
Here's an image of a yearling IB solid wing so you can see the tan/brown/white in the center of the black feathers (which I think Nathowe was referring to as plain black, since they are mostly black, and FBC is trying to explain the white center, which is evident here):
As an aside, FBC: Notice that the bird still retains his burnished orange flights at the edge of the wing like you noticed in the earlier post- this is because the solid wing genes do not effect the primaries of the bird, only the secondaries and cover feathers. So any solid wing bird will have one solid color for the wing EXCEPT for the primaries, which will be some form of the burnished orange of the IB birds; it's lighter in some of the dilute colors like opals, appearing almost tan, but it's definitely a different color than the rest of the wing.
Hope that clears up some confusion!