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Well its really more like, everyone pays into the pot (now as a tax, presumably) as a security blanket.  If you get sick, the care is there.  If you are not, you pay in until its your turn to use it.  Everyone will need health care at some point or another.  At least, thats how its done in most of the other industrialized societies that already have health care.  You have to have the young and healthy pay in when they don't need it, or it just won't work.  Then when the young become old or sick, other young and healthy will continue to work and pay in and so on.

How is someone who is already recieving $3-4,000 a year in Earned Income Tax Credit for downloading burdens on society going to pay a tax on healthcare...They aren't..They will recieve another credit for all the healthcare they need.

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A reasonably healthy person can purchase a decent health care plan for $100-$200 a month. If less costly coverage is needed, catastrophic coverage is available (high deductible) For those who are unhealthy/uninsurable...well I think that might be a focus of health care reform, but I am not sure. I didn't read the bill, don't plan to..I thought that aspect would be covered by the "public option," the only part of health care reform that I sort of supported.   

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Stephanie in VA  3 kids, 2 dogs, 3 cats, and 14 chickens- hens: 2 leghorns, 2 golden comets,         2 australorps, 2 barred rocks, 1 NH Red, 1 LF buff brahma. Roosters: LF light brahma, 2 bantam cochins (1 black/multi colored frizzle, and one buff/red colored) blue orpington. My neighbors RIR rooster has recently moved in. I guess he is staying too 

post #293 of 935
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I agree, because my friend for example, has pc skills such a community would need, and that could be his work, while the more physically able do things like build, grow food, etc.  Someone who is older and less physically able to garden, might make a good companion also for my disabled friend who needs someone with him at all times as he cannot even lift his hand more than an inch or two and if he falls over he could asphixiate.

And child care! If the poor didn't have to worry so much about how to care for their children while working, we would see a lot of improvement, not only in work ethics, but in the behavior of children as well. 

Stephanie in VA  3 kids, 2 dogs, 3 cats, and 14 chickens- hens: 2 leghorns, 2 golden comets,         2 australorps, 2 barred rocks, 1 NH Red, 1 LF buff brahma. Roosters: LF light brahma, 2 bantam cochins (1 black/multi colored frizzle, and one buff/red colored) blue orpington. My neighbors RIR rooster has recently moved in. I guess he is staying too 

Stephanie in VA  3 kids, 2 dogs, 3 cats, and 14 chickens- hens: 2 leghorns, 2 golden comets,         2 australorps, 2 barred rocks, 1 NH Red, 1 LF buff brahma. Roosters: LF light brahma, 2 bantam cochins (1 black/multi colored frizzle, and one buff/red colored) blue orpington. My neighbors RIR rooster has recently moved in. I guess he is staying too 

post #294 of 935
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No of course not. The inhabitants are members of everyday society Royd. The factories around my area all provide great benefits. Many of the poor are already on Medicaid or Famis (child only health care) Those who are employed and can afford health care can take care of it themselves and those who choose to remain uninsured by choice will have to deal with whatever happens with health care reform.

So, what you are saying is that by regionalizing, things are workable. You don't have tons of bureaucracy a thousand miles away that get to determine that dealing with grandma's hacking cough just isn't worth the cost of a week in the hosp.

 We are dealing with a National Healthcare Law here, where decisions will be made by people behind desks, whose job is to minimalize costs.

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Last I checked in to it, making over $250 a month cut you off of disability an anything under that was prorated... I have heard its not that way now but dont know.


I don't know what the actual amount is, but there is a cap on earnings... I think my friend says he cannot own more than $2000 in money and assets if he expects to get disability or something like that.  So basically he can't make any money, because he could never earn what it costs for his care (completely dependent on physical care from a nurse or caretaker) even if he did work, (I use the term work loosely, he couls possibly do some part time pc work from home, stuff like that) so he has to have disability services and income.  Ridiculous, if he could earn a reasonable amount, he might be able to at least support himself enough to pay bills and possibly housing, leaving disability only to cover care/medical.  That would reduce the burdon on government, but of course we can't do anything that makes sense. lol

 

 

 

Total property limit use to be $3k not counting your house an your car. You cant own 2 cars though no matter how cheep but you can own one Bently. You can own a $200K home but you cant own any property that you dont live on no matter how cheep. Owning an cheep tractor or fishing boat will also put you over an cut you off.

 

The way it was anyway... Disability is built to make sure you can never better your self. You have to stay broke or they cut you off an you starve an go under from medical. There use to be a 6 month rule. You could work full time for 6 months before being cut off. Great for anyone that gets better but worthless for people that are still disabled an want to try to better there self.


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post #296 of 935
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How is someone who is already recieving $3-4,000 a year in Earned Income Tax Credit for downloading burdens on society going to pay a tax on healthcare...They aren't..They will recieve another credit for all the healthcare they need.


 Well, without getting into whether we know if that person needs welfare or is just doing it for free cash, that is why we need everyone who can paying into it to make it work.  Also, they have to be earning income to get the EITC, so most people on welfare probably don't recieve it.  http://www.irs.gov/irs/article/0,,id=134524,00.html

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In my job I work closely with Zero to Low income families on a daily basis (have been employed here going on 17 years.) In order for my clients to receive their benefits, they have to report their income to me. If there is a change in their income (either an increase or a decrease) they have 10 days to report it. Almost weekly I find a client that has been working (without reporting it for sometimes a year) and still collecting benefits.

 

Believe it or not I have had several clients report to me that they had lost their job in order to get an increase in benefits. Problem is they never reported the job to begin with.

 

 

If our Government put forth an effort to stop/prosecute the individuals for the fraud we could save Billions.
 

post #298 of 935
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Also, they have to be earning income to get the EITC

 

 

If you have $1 in earned income you qualify for at least $2 in EITC.

post #299 of 935
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In my job I work closely with Zero to Low income families on a daily basis (have been employed here going on 17 years.) In order for my clients to receive their benefits, they have to report their income to me. If there is a change in their income (either an increase or a decrease) they have 10 days to report it. Almost weekly I find a client that has been working (without reporting it for sometimes a year) and still collecting benefits.

 

Believe it or not I have had several clients report to me that they had lost their job in order to get an increase in benefits. Problem is they never reported the job to begin with.

 

 

If our Government put forth an effort to stop/prosecute the individuals for the fraud we could save Billions.
 

I had a client who was charged with a misdemeanor for not reporting [quickly enough] that her on and off boyfriend had been staying at her home. I'm sure that will help her make it to self sufficiency! (not)  

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Stephanie in VA  3 kids, 2 dogs, 3 cats, and 14 chickens- hens: 2 leghorns, 2 golden comets,         2 australorps, 2 barred rocks, 1 NH Red, 1 LF buff brahma. Roosters: LF light brahma, 2 bantam cochins (1 black/multi colored frizzle, and one buff/red colored) blue orpington. My neighbors RIR rooster has recently moved in. I guess he is staying too 

post #300 of 935
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So, what you are saying is that by regionalizing, things are workable. You don't have tons of bureaucracy a thousand miles away that get to determine that dealing with grandma's hacking cough just isn't worth the cost of a week in the hosp.

 

 

 

Yes I believe that is part of the solution. Another part is simply looking at the issues in another perspective.

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